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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg now just to put

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things in perspective here we're in the

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United States or at least I am Randall J

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Randall Murphy our co-host is in Calgary

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Canada and our guest this week Paul Dean

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is in Australia is that correct sir well

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I feel that way sometimes and where I

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feel sometimes I'd like to be on the

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other side of the soil okay when we

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prepare a para cast we always look at

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the latest news to see if anything is

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relevant and I don't know if this story

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is relevant or not since we'll be

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talking more about the public

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information getting the information

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older sightings from governments Freedom

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of Information that sort of thing but we

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now learn there appears to be an

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underground body of water of 12 miles

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wide and one of the poles of Mars have

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you read about guys yeah Italian

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researchers were working with data that

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they had Italian astrophysics or or a

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Space Sciences team had had provided the

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technology for radar that like the first

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surface radar mapping of Mars and

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they've analyzed data in a particular

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way that indicates that there's well in

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your language it's 12 miles wide in our

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language 20 kilometers wide and and

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quite deep hundreds and hundreds of

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yards or maybe even miles deep of water

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now it could be an actual Lake or it

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could could be just mud it could be just

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ice shards of ice just grinding against

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each other salty ice that's a

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semi-liquid but whatever it is it's sea

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most water on Mars is just family at

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most in bra plaits and tiny little

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streams through layers of dust and only

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at certain times of the year and but

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this is something that that was one that

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was a bit unexpected and to where

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there's one like underneath a pole is

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probably thousands of them they like

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saying that there's

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the one Canyon in the world the Grand

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Canyon and then there's no other canyons

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that stood so it's basically impossible

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to edit defied planetary science there

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could be trillions and trillions of

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liters of water right underneath the

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surface of Mars not surprising at all it

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could even be a bit warm through

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friction and any volcanic all sort of

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gaseous activity through a very very

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slow plate tectonics a little bit of

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radioactivity yeah it's amazing well I

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was thinking here about pop culture and

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of course in the old Flash Gordon movie

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cereal from 1930s they had play people

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on the planet and maybe now there

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are mud people on Mars we go down there

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to look at the water and we'll see mud

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people look that's a bit of a stretch I

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mean but look it's anything's possible

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their planet is radically different than

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ours now what's probably likely is is if

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there's anything alive down there or if

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there was anything recently alive it's

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going to be truly microbial maybe right

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up to something like worms or also

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certain types of very producing insects

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or something and who knows maybe maybe

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there is maybe there is Sinai life down

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there maybe there is a city I I don't

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know it's gonna be a long time with

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before we find out the mud people on

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Mars are there really mud people strange

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how it kind of comes to us this is a

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lousy pun folks it comes to us in little

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drops cheek a little drops we learn more

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and more about the potential for some

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kind of life on Mars and the question

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would be here as the planet's surface

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conditions became worse could they have

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formed an artificial shelter of some

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sort and beneath the surface of Mars

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well it's possible

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humans have got humans humans have gone

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on to adapt for things like changing

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climates and ice ages and and the

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discovery of the discovery of minerals

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and and the wax and wane of the weather

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systems and and the and the perfection

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of Agriculture and and developed

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machinery for war why not I mean a

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creatures adapt creatures adapt to

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changing environments providing the

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environment just doesn't

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change too quickly when you've got

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something like a meteorite impact where

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the where the planets or the planets

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surface or edge and just very rapidly

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will well living organisms can't really

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adapt but when you've got two slow

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changes over time it's probably very

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it's it's it's probably very easy for

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the robust life to adapt I don't know

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yes certainly possible well we're

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learning more about the universe and we

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even expected mud people from Mars

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ladies and gentlemen now was it saying

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that Paul Dean tell us about your

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background what got you involved in your

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particular area of looking into the UFO

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mystery well there's a few things that

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we know was yeah look I'm I've got a

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fairly scientific mind a good technical

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a mind and but when I was quite young my

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um I started studying I guess I started

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reading books in in primary school and

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those always books you know like on

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unsolved mysteries or it'd have books

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with titles like UFOs and other

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mysteries or ghosts aliens and vampires

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or or whatever and something jumped out

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at me very early on you read this stuff

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and the one thing that jumped out at me

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was that things like say werewolves or

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vampires or say freak religious events

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they they seem to be more focal or

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culturally based or or anecdotal but but

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the UFO topic was quite different

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because it was it just seemed to be

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happening in modern times one it was too

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concerning authorities I mean even in

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the most basic children's book on UFOs

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you will find reference to government

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studies like sign and grudge and blue

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book you'll find reference to qualified

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combat pilots being scared out of their

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wit's by by unknown or very unfamiliar

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objects around the aircraft etc and I

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thought any of these topics

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any of these oddball or sort of unsolved

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or an approach topics are real liceo if

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I think could be the one and so years

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went on and and when I was when I was

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also quite young my father actually my

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father was in the

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me and in the Australian Army and um he

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actually recounted a sighting he had to

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me when I was about 13 at deciding it

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happened before I was born he was

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driving alone and the long and the short

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of it is that he was followed by

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something airborne and it was absolutely

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silent but it was very very broad and it

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was it it couldn't have been a

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helicopter he's absolutely sure of that

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he he never solved it and the other

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thing that the other thing that

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influenced me quite a lot was in

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Australia but with probably Australia's

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most famous case happened off the coast

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line actually where I live I live in the

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city of Melbourne and I mean 19 in

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October 1978 a pilot a pilot in a small

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aircraft or small Cessna he's name was

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Frederick Valentich he took off from

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Moorabbin Airport which is a regional

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suburban neighborhood Airport he took

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off and he went over the coastline and

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he was in radio communication with our

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big international airport and the

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weather was clear he was following a

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flight a general flight plan he was

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actually heading toward an island to

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pick up seafood and come home by sort of

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maybe 9 o'clock 10 o'clock at night and

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his takeoff and his planes mechanical

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history excetera was clean nothing

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unusual he he was never seen again what

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happened was he had a he he ended well

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he ended his days on earth apparently

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with a 12-minute radio conversation with

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with Melbourne Airport and in that in

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that conversation he he was - it was

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other traffic up there as there was

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other those other aircraft having

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conversations over the radio but his

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segments he the pilot Valenti is

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complaining have been encircled all all

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being harassed by a cigar-shaped object

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with multiple lights on us he of his

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final words were the aircraft is

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orbiting on top of me again it's

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hovering out it's not an aircraft and he

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never seen again so this happened before

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I was born but it it was it was often

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featured on TV shows and it was

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sometimes featured on the news you know

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a 10-year anniversary's and then 15 year

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anniversaries of his disappearance and

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so Mel Burns got this this is one of

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Melvin's big links through the UFO

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mystery this is going to be one of the

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you'll have to listen to some pieces of

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cause this week I'm Jean Steinberg Paul

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Dean joins us he's talking about one of

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the more important cases in Australia

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can we continue on that score for a

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little bit and then we'll move on to

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other topics go ahead please Paul yeah

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sure the the case was it was interesting

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because the air authorities it was the

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bureau of air safety they were sort of

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under some pressure I mean it's not

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unusual back then for assessment a small

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plane to go missing in Australia just

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like it probably isn't now and just

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happens they were in every now and again

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but at first at first no one in the in

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the press or realized that the worse

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issue if I were connection but within

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days the Bureau of air safety admitted

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that there was a possible now that

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another craft up there or all that the

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incident was particularly unusual and of

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course they weren't finding any any

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plane there was no wreckage there was no

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body and the Marines searched

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authorities tried and the and the the

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conditions were good enough that they

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should have been able to find something

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eventually

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but they never did when when the

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transcript of what Fredrik Valenti was

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saying over the radio to flight services

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air traffic control of Steve Robey this

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this 12 minutes of conversation when it

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when it hit the papers it was it was it

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was featured all over the world I mean

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if you listen to the if you if you sorry

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not listen if you read the transcript in

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fully it's it's it's quite confronting

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he never once says the word flying

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saucer or a UFO he doesn't call it that

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he says aircraft or craft he doesn't

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appear to be highly stressed it's more

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of a simple conversation and then he he

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vanished and and it was terrible for the

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family the Valenti family because their

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son completely goes missing there's all

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this media furore rumors started up

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there was rumors of cover-up but then

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denials of cover-up and then was you

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know the one-year anniversary and and

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and it's never been really solved so I

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knew about this case

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from a quite a young age and and so that

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was that was sort of my introduction to

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the UFO matter now

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as the years went on I was reading books

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very not just the average junker cults

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or potboiler book on UFOs I mean I was

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reading some fairly scholarly works and

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some of the highly skeptical works and

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then to read say the work of halt or

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green would enforce it or filet or Hynek

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you can't do that without also reading

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the work of a Philip class or some of

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the you I also believed to be a serious

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researcher you've got to be reading

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about military history intelligence

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community history and particularly about

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whether atmospheric physics general you

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know even pick up a book about what goes

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on at an airport it's important but I

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got a crash course over many years in

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the in the UFO controversy by reading

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the most scholarly or foundational

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materials I mean anything that's got a

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thousand footnotes in it like say for

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better or for worse Dolan's first book

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is a very good introduction so

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particularly the first half of it a very

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good overview particularly of the United

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States this government military's

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response to the UFO topic and any book

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that's got five hundred to a thousand

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footnotes is worth reading and worth

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checking out those footnotes and that's

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what I did a lot of people don't do that

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Eddie bullets recent book is incredible

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for footnotes you've got to be all over

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everything and you've got to be an

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archivist you've got to save everything

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you read and I mean I don't necessarily

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believe in the ETH the extra-terrestrial

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hypothesis I'd probably never have but I

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do believe that I mean the statistics

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there is a certain percentage of cases

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that that is extremely difficult to

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solve no matter how much data or

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information we have on any given unknown

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or unsolvable case there's been

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significant government concern or even

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panic at times there is very

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government's of maintain policies and

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procedures for UFO reporting for UFO

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investigation for the collation and

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classify err classification of

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information lies have been told

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misinformation has been offered to

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everyone from Congress

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ministers it's it's it's suspicious and

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and so it's worth it's worth studying so

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about five or six years ago I decided

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instead of just studying the topic

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passively I would draw on everything I'd

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learn and start actually being an

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aggressor actually trying to find out

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new information you know learn to submit

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Freedom of Information requests learn to

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correspond with ministers and

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congressmen learn to talk like an air

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traffic controller or at least you know

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think like an air traffic controller

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that sort of things so that's basically

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how it all started for me okay just a

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couple of things to bring your mind here

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as you probably know Kevin D Randle dog

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he is doing chasing footnotes where he

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goes and looks back and a lot of these

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important things a lot of these

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important cases to see where they

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started not necessarily to change our

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conclusions but to see where they

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started to get the accurate information

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out in the case of looking over things

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of the past you did something that

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interests me and I'll tell you why so

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this is based on a blog you posted at

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UFOs documenting the evidence at

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blogspot.com and it was posted on

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Wednesday the 13th of June I would hope

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that would be Friday the 13th because of

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the subject ok so this guy doesn't do a

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lot of interviews but some months back

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we got the one the only Richard C Doty

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to appear on the power cast and we were

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left in the position there where what he

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said is this accurate is it not accurate

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is there spin control probably it was a

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mixture of everything now you went ahead

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and did some Freedom of Information

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requests to find out who the heck is

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Richard C Doty Richard Charles Doty and

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I'm looking here you've got DD 214 which

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is the certificate of release or

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discharge from active duty that's very

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important to have to see what a military

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person really did you've got a whole

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bunch of information here from the Air

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Force you also have here what I'm

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looking at right now the lavas air force

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stuff and when some of its redacted

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as you might expect certain personal

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information the servicemen's group life

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insurance election I mean you got a lot

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of stuff here let me ask you here was

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there a problem getting this information

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or they just come your way the only

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thing you've gotta be wrong is I didn't

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this personally did not come to me as

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far as my work what I what happened was

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is that Richard Doty has been with the

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air force it was was with the air force

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for over 20 years and of course his he

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is one of the most controversial figures

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in in in in the history of UFO lore

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there is there is little question about

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that

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III know his story I know the Kirkland

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affair the Kirkland Air Force Base

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affair very well the development of the

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mj-12 story that Paul bennewitz scandal

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I was sure I mean I'm a I saw I study a

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government organizational charts quite a

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lot and one thing that bugged me was

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that I never was able to figure out over

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the years the lineage or the or the

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movement of Richard Doty as a sergeant

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through the office of Air Force Special

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Investigations or associated units at

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Kirkland I mean was he with the 1636 air

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base wing or was he with the you know

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1400 firsts first security police

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squadron or was he with whatever and and

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so I already had a few pages are very

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very very sanitized Richard C Doty

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service records which were almost

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useless and we all got them you know

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Awards he was meddled and like given and

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so on and so I started my ask that

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there's a few there's a few people that

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have written books on deities early

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involvement in the UFO topic and when

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one of them is some one of them is

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called extra sending by Christian

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Lambright let's go into that because we

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did have on the show in our next clip

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all Dean about Richard Doty with Jean

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thank you for listening to GCN be sure

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to visit GCN live.com today hi I'm

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listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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trying to make it mysterious because

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Richard Doty is Richard Doty so you

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mentioned the Christian lamb rights book

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and that also was interesting because we

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had him on in relation to the work of

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Reese an FIR so Paul Dean please

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continue yes so I spoke to Christian

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lambreaux and a few others I spoke to

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mark hinkel turn and and Greg Bishop as

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well and I and I asked them all do we

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actually know for a fact was Doty with

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the Office of Air Force Special

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Investigations headquarters detachment

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at Kirkland Air Force Base or was he

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with an air base wing for Kirkland or or

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whatever in those days and none of us

643
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could find we had a problem with

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actually finding any truly foundational

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places of Records for dhotis service

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00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:11,940
history anyway Christian Lambright

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00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:14,640
pointed me in the right direction he had

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forgotten this but he pointed me in the

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00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:19,080
direction of an old Freedom of

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00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,150
Information requests that a guy called

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00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:23,520
Larry Bryant Larry Bryant was a fairly

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00:28:27,790 --> 00:28:25,590
formidable if I were a requester and

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government houndour in the 80s and 90s

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we got hold it's a long story but we got

655
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:34,080
hold of some Larry Brandt files and I

656
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:35,730
couldn't believe it we got hold of a PDF

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00:28:39,740 --> 00:28:37,770
essentially which was 30 pages and I

658
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:39,750
couldn't believe my eyes I open the

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first one it's a whole bunch of

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documentation the first few pages are

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letters between Larry Bryant and the

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United States Air Force and the first

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one I open is dated 27th of September

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1988 and it says your 8th of September

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1988 Freedom of Information request was

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received in my office blah blah blah and

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the sanitized records requested our

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releasable under the Freedom of

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Information Act and copies are attached

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so with that there was nearly 30 pages

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of Doty service records and they include

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qualification badges in accordance with

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various Air Force regulations awarded to

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Doty as early as 1978 he his records

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include a is everything from his ability

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to prepare foods through to his

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noncommissioned officer

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promotions stupid to his tickets in law

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enforcement and patrolling yes I mean

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there was just a mix of records we also

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have on the October 24 2010 episode with

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Chris O'Brien and me Larry Bryant so

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00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:52,500
floral back there October 24th 2010 we

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00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:54,390
were talking about a book called UFO

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politics at the White House citizens

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rally around Jimmy Carter's promise in a

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book page and fortunately is from gall D

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Press that's the woman from fate

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magazine it's no longer available so I

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don't know what happened there maybe the

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book is no longer available either we'll

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have to see

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in the meantime I urge you to listen to

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that so so let's hear more about the

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documents that Larry had one thing that

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was important we'd many people had had

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wondered when did Richard Doty truly

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leave the Air Force or officially leave

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the Air Force and one document that was

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important I felt was a one paged was

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important was it simply had a department

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of the Air Force Washington it's almost

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like a telex

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it's like a like a fax just says special

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orders Master Sergeant Richard Doty

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Charles Kirkland Air Force Base 15th of

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January 88 and it says effective 30

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September 88 you are relieved from

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active duty organization and station of

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assignment were retired effectively on

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the 1st of October 88 as per Air Force

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regulation 30 5-7 in grade of Master

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Sergeant and assigned to retired reserve

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until 17th of September 1998 highest

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00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:10,800
grade held an active duty was Master

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surge and his date of birth is listed as

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the 15th of February 1950 and so so they

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have it we finally found out when he

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left the Air Force and that was that was

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released by the order of a secret by an

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order of a secretary of the Air Force

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and and was signed off by um Colonel

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William own nations or who was the

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director of information management

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administration forum the US Air Force's

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plans and personnel area let me ask

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something before we go on ok we assume

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then he just retired he wasn't thrown

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00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:43,770
out

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no well the rumors have been it doesn't

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actually say here I mean this particular

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page it doesn't actually mention

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anything about say dishonorable

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discharge or a court-martial or adora or

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a criminal hearing or honorable

736
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:00,570
discharge or whatever it doesn't mention

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00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:04,650
that and and I for instance I would

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suspect that he was discharged with no

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00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:09,120
problems because he certainly held a

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security clearance right up to the end

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00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:14,340
of his days now possibly if he had been

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00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:16,050
booted out of the Air Force or

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00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:17,850
recommended to be booted booted out of

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00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:19,230
the Air Force I'm not sure he would have

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00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:21,510
held a secret clearance particularly

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with the office of Air Force Special

747
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,660
Investigations right till the end I

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00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:26,880
don't know though I mean I'm I'm not a

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00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:29,730
plan some personnel or a or a human

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00:32:34,970 --> 00:32:31,980
resources person within your Air Force

751
00:32:36,650 --> 00:32:34,980
who knows what goes on but but yeah

752
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,660
we're assuming or looking at this that

753
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:39,360
he wasn't kicked out or um or say

754
00:32:45,530 --> 00:32:42,930
demanded to go I I don't know we know

755
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,540
that he was for instance with verbal

756
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:48,240
orders in August 1984 he was I'm just

757
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:49,650
reading this here is so he was pretty he

758
00:32:56,150 --> 00:32:53,670
was promoted at one point in in 1984 and

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00:33:00,740 --> 00:32:56,160
he's listed here as Dodi Richard Charles

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00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:00,750
with detachment for air 14:06 it was

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00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:04,890
with them for quite a while and so we

762
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,540
know when there was a security I think

763
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:08,640
the detachment 1406 was a security

764
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:11,130
police squadron open Kirkland Air Force

765
00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:13,140
Base like let's say they would do they

766
00:33:16,550 --> 00:33:14,670
would do criminal investigations and

767
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:16,560
counter counter security operations

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00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:18,990
right down to things like drug testing

769
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:21,570
and alcohol testing on base working with

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00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:24,330
working with the FBI on any sort of

771
00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:27,810
external threats to the base developing

772
00:33:33,650 --> 00:33:30,660
policy like local policy for commanders

773
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:33,660
to handle a bit maybe terrorist action

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00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:36,210
because I mean Kirkland was right near a

775
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:38,070
nuclear weapons dump I mean the Manzano

776
00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:40,290
weapons facility and and Sandia

777
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:42,270
laboratories worked with some

778
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,510
mothballing and and warm alert storage

779
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:48,720
of nuclear weapons of nuclear bombs this

780
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:53,700
is not a muck around basic US yeah

781
00:33:57,170 --> 00:33:56,340
glorified yet pure glue certainly some

782
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:57,180
of it a glorified

783
00:34:00,740 --> 00:33:58,980
but I do note that he did

784
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:00,750
counterintelligence like he did

785
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:02,970
intelligence courses whether I mean I'm

786
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:05,910
not saying he did a four-year PhD but he

787
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:08,610
did certainly did do information or

788
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:10,460
would you call it like information

789
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:14,010
tickets it causes in intelligence and

790
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:16,890
counter security so certainly a cop of

791
00:34:21,830 --> 00:34:20,550
sorts yeah so it's no like that I mean

792
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:21,840
he was with the office of Air Force

793
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:23,490
Special Investigations let's not forget

794
00:34:26,630 --> 00:34:24,840
I mean the term is Special

795
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:26,640
Investigations with the United States

796
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:28,200
Air Force and he was with where he was

797
00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:31,650
at one of the most sensitive bases in in

798
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:33,000
the United States as far as I'm

799
00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:33,540
concerned

800
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:35,790
aside from there before that in in this

801
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,320
in the late seventies he he was at

802
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:39,540
Ellsworth Ellsworth Air Force Base and

803
00:34:44,630 --> 00:34:41,850
they have they had at the time I had

804
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:44,640
bombers with with a new killer capable

805
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:47,970
so the there's no doubt that he was it

806
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,700
was also in the top 1% of tested

807
00:34:56,090 --> 00:34:52,800
non-commissioned officers as far as

808
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:56,100
altitude and so on so we're not talking

809
00:34:59,480 --> 00:34:58,050
about someone who was simply a security

810
00:35:01,280 --> 00:34:59,490
guard at the edge of the base looking

811
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:01,290
for her looking for people lighting

812
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:03,180
fires or stealing stuff this this was he

813
00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:05,810
was more than that so he was a real

814
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:09,030
special investigator he was the real

815
00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:11,930
article this guy is not a fake he

816
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:16,830
evidently retired he retired in a normal

817
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:19,050
way as anyone would retire after what 20

818
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:21,720
years or whatever it was okay so he did

819
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I'm we regard him now is kind of a wacko

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wacko or is he still working for the Air

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but it appears how okay the earth States

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still an agent or what employment

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don't want to say that Paul Dean UFO

982
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investigator from Australia specializing

983
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in getting at information that the

984
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governments are trying to keep secret

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so I asked you a question Paul before we

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broke therefore a piece of business

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Master Sergeant Doty now retired or is

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he retired and is all this wacky stuff

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he produces when you interview him is

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that all something that he's doing for

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disinformation he's being told to do

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that well look Occam's razor which you

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look for the simplest answer and in a

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complex world says that I mean did

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there's every chance that he was from

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early on he just happens to be a good

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servicemen in intelligence and security

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and law enforcement role with the Air

999
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Force and he happens to have an interest

1000
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in the UFO topic he was involved in some

1001
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genuine UFO events all the reporting of

1002
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some genuine UFO events by coincidence

1003
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and he was influenced by the UFO field

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in general which was pretty incredible

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in the late 70s you had extraordinary

1006
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numbers of UFO documents coming out

1007
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through a Barry Greenwood Robert Todd

1008
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Lorentz force at Todd's circle etc you

1009
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had the room

1010
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of Roswell starting up you had the cash

1011
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Landrum affair was just about to happen

1012
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and all of a sudden you've possibly I'm

1013
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just speculating you've got this airman

1014
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who is interested in the topic and takes

1015
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it a bit too far

1016
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starts engaging with UFO folk like Bill

1017
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:47,900
Moore or Bob Pratt possibly Lee Graham

1018
00:43:53,230 --> 00:43:51,170
and and starts making up stories invites

1019
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Linda Moulton Howe into his office and

1020
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,579
so on that's the easy way out that the

1021
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more difficult way out is that someone

1022
00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:00,530
was in the Air Force it could have been

1023
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someone by the name of Brigadier General

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William Brooke sure it could have been

1025
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someone by the name of Colonel Barry

1026
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:12,950
Hennessey all those people were were

1027
00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:16,010
important they've been linked with the

1028
00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:18,500
UFO topic while being with the Air Force

1029
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:19,940
and they're and they're linked to Doty

1030
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:21,650
as in that they were his direct boss or

1031
00:44:27,579 --> 00:44:24,710
or indirect boss was there a deliberate

1032
00:44:30,849 --> 00:44:27,589
disinformation misinformation muddy the

1033
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waters time-wasting type of effort and

1034
00:44:35,620 --> 00:44:34,040
Doty was the guy that was given the job

1035
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of pulling it off and pulling it off for

1036
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a long time the fact of the matter is we

1037
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just don't know the one thing that does

1038
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:41,990
point oddly in that direction is this

1039
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,720
and I was quite surprised at this the

1040
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see I was saying before that the the Air

1041
00:44:50,290 --> 00:44:48,260
Force and the Navy in the army have

1042
00:44:51,809 --> 00:44:50,300
their own information disinformation

1043
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:51,819
intelligence and counterintelligence

1044
00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:54,910
forces Authority is for the Air Force

1045
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:57,740
NCIS whatever it is is for the Navy and

1046
00:45:02,410 --> 00:45:00,079
so on now the CIA a Central Intelligence

1047
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:02,420
Agency is very very different they

1048
00:45:07,450 --> 00:45:04,190
operate in the field all over the world

1049
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:07,460
they're spies they they run diplomatic

1050
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:09,770
missions they they listen in on meetings

1051
00:45:16,809 --> 00:45:13,400
they they cultivate contacts at

1052
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:16,819
embassies and so on they they they help

1053
00:45:24,059 --> 00:45:20,569
the the eavesdropping efforts of the NSA

1054
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:24,069
and so on but I do know that the CIA

1055
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:27,650
have some files on Doty now whether

1056
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:30,290
they're about Doty or they by dou Z or

1057
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:32,990
therefore Doty but I do know almost for

1058
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:35,450
an absolute fact that the Central

1059
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:38,089
Intelligence Agency as of certainly as

1060
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:41,210
of 2006 have files because they admitted

1061
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:41,970
it I've got

1062
00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:45,450
leader from the CIA to someone and and

1063
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:48,750
right in the middle it says that files

1064
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:53,730
or records about to from or on all

1065
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:56,280
written by dou T doesn't say that it

1066
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:58,410
just says files related to Richard

1067
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:01,760
Charles Doty are classified under

1068
00:46:08,810 --> 00:46:06,119
privacy laws and thus not available so

1069
00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:08,820
either they are simply something very

1070
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:10,980
very basic like to say I collected say

1071
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:14,390
our early chapters of books on Doty or

1072
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:16,890
newspaper articles around Kirtland or

1073
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:18,510
they are something much more significant

1074
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:22,590
maybe Doty was with the CIA after he was

1075
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:25,380
with a fuzzy at Kirkland maybe he was a

1076
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,400
CIA field investigator on loaned the CIA

1077
00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:31,440
from the Air Force maybe he was an

1078
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:34,619
interagency officer for the Air Force

1079
00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:36,450
with the CIA when he was in Germany

1080
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:39,030
briefly I just don't know but it was it

1081
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:40,970
was certainly something I didn't expect

1082
00:46:45,830 --> 00:46:43,859
if you go down the path that's that the

1083
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:45,840
Doty was just a UFO enthusiast who

1084
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:46,859
happened to be in the Air Force

1085
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:49,800
I am supplied surprise then that he has

1086
00:46:56,810 --> 00:46:53,490
been the CIA II this is in 2006 we knew

1087
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:56,820
we know as of 2006 at the CIA weren't

1088
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:57,930
meeting that they at least had some

1089
00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:00,540
material on Doty as I've said and so to

1090
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:02,430
keep that for that long it might be

1091
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:05,940
quite important material so yeah it's

1092
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:09,480
it's it's pretty interesting stuff yeah

1093
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:11,730
well certainly he was an interesting

1094
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:13,980
guest or a good guest very smart guest

1095
00:47:19,849 --> 00:47:16,890
but of course when you looked at what he

1096
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,859
said a lot of it was questionable you

1097
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:21,920
are the episode didn't you Randall oh

1098
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:25,800
yeah that was definitely there for that

1099
00:47:32,570 --> 00:47:29,430
one right he talked about Roswell but

1100
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:32,580
then things he heard not necessarily

1101
00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:35,490
things he personally investigated or

1102
00:47:40,849 --> 00:47:38,520
realized well this kid actually segue

1103
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:40,859
kind of into a couple of other issues

1104
00:47:46,609 --> 00:47:43,740
and that you might be able to help us

1105
00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:46,619
out with your Paul so when we were

1106
00:47:53,540 --> 00:47:49,859
interviewing Joey he said that there

1107
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:53,550
were literally hundreds of agents

1108
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:55,500
stationed around the world in different

1109
00:47:59,020 --> 00:47:56,000
places

1110
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,030
that were tasked with checking out UFO

1111
00:48:04,690 --> 00:48:01,760
report and of course that would include

1112
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:04,700
Australia so I'm wondering have you run

1113
00:48:12,370 --> 00:48:08,050
across anything like that down there and

1114
00:48:15,820 --> 00:48:12,380
especially in connection with the JD fpg

1115
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,830
down there the JTF page a isn't that

1116
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:18,400
that's the joint Jody if your defense

1117
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:22,310
yeah you mean longer absolutely yeah

1118
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,930
yeah Jody of Peter ah yep I know that

1119
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:27,920
I've lost me

1120
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,730
okay look Josie okay this is my personal

1121
00:48:36,610 --> 00:48:33,920
take after studying the topic for so

1122
00:48:38,770 --> 00:48:36,620
long Eddie's conceivably possible that

1123
00:48:43,590 --> 00:48:38,780
the Air Force security Air Force

1124
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:43,600
intelligence and Air Force operational

1125
00:48:50,290 --> 00:48:46,010
officers and servicemen around the world

1126
00:48:53,740 --> 00:48:50,300
do study look at collate and keep their

1127
00:48:56,020 --> 00:48:53,750
eye on UFO reports UFO sightings any

1128
00:48:59,980 --> 00:48:56,030
discussion of UFOs in local or national

1129
00:49:04,120 --> 00:48:59,990
media's at embassies as a full-time job

1130
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,130
I doubt it I you know that the idea that

1131
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:06,800
that say every defense attache every

1132
00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:08,630
second or third defense attache for the

1133
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:11,000
United States in the world or every

1134
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:13,610
every major base in the world from from

1135
00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:17,090
Australia the Philippines to England has

1136
00:49:22,780 --> 00:49:18,920
Air Force officers who are full-time

1137
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:22,790
studying the UFO topic is admit the most

1138
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:24,530
it would be done on headquarters in

1139
00:49:28,810 --> 00:49:26,510
Washington or somewhere like bowling Air

1140
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:28,820
Force Base or at NORAD in Colorado but I

1141
00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:31,370
mean the it is possible that certainly

1142
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:35,080
there could be a very large number of

1143
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:38,570
airmen who's part time duty just

1144
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:41,630
occasionally to is to look at your fo

1145
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:43,490
reports from the point of view that of

1146
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:45,110
course the United States Air Force

1147
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,590
particularly someone like the the NASA

1148
00:49:52,780 --> 00:49:50,240
which is the National Air and Space

1149
00:49:53,980 --> 00:49:52,790
Intelligence Center that has offices all

1150
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:53,990
over the world of course they are

1151
00:49:59,560 --> 00:49:56,720
interested in UFOs or your reports from

1152
00:50:01,720 --> 00:49:59,570
the point of view that UFOs can be a

1153
00:50:04,590 --> 00:50:01,730
very advanced and new say cruise

1154
00:50:06,430 --> 00:50:04,600
missiles or fractal-like for a threat

1155
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:06,440
fracturing or orbital bombardment

1156
00:50:09,859 --> 00:50:07,890
weapons

1157
00:50:12,799 --> 00:50:09,869
usual satellite launchers and so on I

1158
00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:12,809
mean the the number of times that the

1159
00:50:19,099 --> 00:50:16,500
ex-soviet Union Russia has launched long

1160
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:19,109
or medium-range ballistic missiles that

1161
00:50:27,289 --> 00:50:22,680
have been reported as as bona fide UFO

1162
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:27,299
events is astounding and but yeah as for

1163
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:29,910
as for Australia as far as far as our

1164
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:33,210
officers looking at UFO reports so as

1165
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:34,650
they come through the news or come

1166
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:36,690
through intelligence channels I've never

1167
00:50:41,660 --> 00:50:38,099
seen a link back to the United States

1168
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:41,670
not since the 50s and 60s and 70s can I

1169
00:50:48,589 --> 00:50:45,930
can I just interject there so I'd like

1170
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:48,599
to get some of your comments on the Pine

1171
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:51,240
Gap facility there because that's down

1172
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:52,890
there where you are and where you are

1173
00:50:57,620 --> 00:50:55,049
you able to get any information out of

1174
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,630
your government or the US government on

1175
00:51:02,720 --> 00:50:59,579
what goes on there because that's really

1176
00:51:04,579 --> 00:51:02,730
kind of like Australia's area 51 down

1177
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,589
there there's some pretty weird stuff

1178
00:51:08,539 --> 00:51:06,720
that's going on there well tell you

1179
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:08,549
let's let's hold the answer to our next

1180
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:11,010
segment we're featuring Paul Dean direct

1181
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:13,890
from his palatial estate in Melbourne in

1182
00:51:20,749 --> 00:51:16,230
Australia or I don't know what it is of

1183
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:20,759
gene Steinberg from his Shack and we all

1184
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:23,579
do this Jay Randall Murphy is our cause

1185
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:25,740
this week we've got lots more excitement

1186
00:51:30,529 --> 00:51:27,450
for the remaining two-thirds of the show

1187
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:30,539
with gene and with Randall you're in the

1188
00:51:42,279 --> 00:51:38,880
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1189
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1239
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:13,780
makes it sound like a question Paul Dean

1240
00:54:18,180 --> 00:54:15,850
does not have a palatial estate do you

1241
00:54:19,860 --> 00:54:18,190
do you have a day job yes I'm a painter

1242
00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:19,870
and decorator I'm a tradesman I think

1243
00:54:25,650 --> 00:54:22,510
you call it a house painter okay it can

1244
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,660
be quite a monotonous job so I get a lot

1245
00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:27,520
of time to think and and and talk on the

1246
00:54:32,670 --> 00:54:29,260
phone while I'm painting or sanding or

1247
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,680
filling nail holes and so on so yeah

1248
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:34,960
there you go from the world around us

1249
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:39,790
pointing to UFOs yeah back to Pine Gap

1250
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:41,530
let's get on to some of that like you

1251
00:54:46,050 --> 00:54:43,930
must have dug into that closing down

1252
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:46,060
there so yeah for those that don't know

1253
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:49,890
Pine Gap is a is a joint American

1254
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:53,200
Australian Defence facility right smack

1255
00:54:56,970 --> 00:54:55,390
bang in the middle of Australia that the

1256
00:54:59,940 --> 00:54:56,980
climate out there is atrocious

1257
00:55:02,910 --> 00:54:59,950
it makes somewhere like central Nevada

1258
00:55:05,250 --> 00:55:02,920
look like Connecticut it can be up to

1259
00:55:08,250 --> 00:55:05,260
120 degrees every day there's nothing

1260
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:08,260
out there and it's the perfect place to

1261
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:11,710
have a sensitive military facility that

1262
00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:13,110
would do everything from satellite

1263
00:55:18,450 --> 00:55:15,990
communications to international

1264
00:55:21,330 --> 00:55:18,460
eavesdropping of radio networks through

1265
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:21,340
to the rapid command and control of

1266
00:55:26,130 --> 00:55:23,590
drones in places like Afghanistan or

1267
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:26,140
Yemen or whatever and there has been a

1268
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:28,900
large number of books written about Pine

1269
00:55:34,890 --> 00:55:32,260
Gap but to get scholarly or how would

1270
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:34,900
you say it to get official records from

1271
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:37,180
either the United States as government

1272
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:39,010
whether that's the Defense Intelligence

1273
00:55:42,450 --> 00:55:40,450
Agency or the Central Intelligence

1274
00:55:45,450 --> 00:55:42,460
Agency or the National Security Agency

1275
00:55:47,580 --> 00:55:45,460
or the NSA's central security services

1276
00:55:49,410 --> 00:55:47,590
or whatever is very very hard to get

1277
00:55:51,690 --> 00:55:49,420
documents out of Australia's government

1278
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:51,700
about Pine Gap is also very hard to see

1279
00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:53,710
when you ask under the Freedom of

1280
00:55:57,039 --> 00:55:54,440
Information

1281
00:55:59,680 --> 00:55:57,049
when you ask a government agency or a

1282
00:56:01,920 --> 00:55:59,690
government department for a records

1283
00:56:04,059 --> 00:56:01,930
whether they be mission statements or

1284
00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:04,069
whether they be memorandums of

1285
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:06,289
understanding or mission roles or

1286
00:56:10,539 --> 00:56:08,750
day-to-day logs or whatever one of the

1287
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:10,549
exemptions one of the things that they

1288
00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:12,950
can knock you back on is the cause that

1289
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:15,140
discusses international relations so I

1290
00:56:19,089 --> 00:56:17,210
might ask I might ask the Australian

1291
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:19,099
Department of Defense the Attorney

1292
00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:20,569
General's office the Prime Minister's

1293
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:23,390
department whatever I might say I want a

1294
00:56:30,839 --> 00:56:26,480
copy of the current mission statement an

1295
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:30,849
overview of the köppen gap facility for

1296
00:56:38,500 --> 00:56:33,890
2017 they can easily write back and they

1297
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:38,510
can say dear mr. Dean we have found the

1298
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,609
documents that you want they number

1299
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:42,799
three pages they're classified

1300
00:56:50,170 --> 00:56:45,200
top-secret we are denying the release of

1301
00:56:51,849 --> 00:56:50,180
these documents because cos 1c says we

1302
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,859
would have to correspond with a foreign

1303
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:53,359
government and that foreign government

1304
00:56:57,490 --> 00:56:55,130
has already been consulted and has

1305
00:56:59,230 --> 00:56:57,500
denied the release of these documents we

1306
00:57:01,480 --> 00:56:59,240
also believe that these documents are

1307
00:57:04,569 --> 00:57:01,490
exempt under b3 national security

1308
00:57:07,630 --> 00:57:04,579
so etc but over the years many many many

1309
00:57:09,849 --> 00:57:07,640
people have tried to get significant

1310
00:57:11,950 --> 00:57:09,859
piles of documentation out of both the

1311
00:57:13,059 --> 00:57:11,960
US and Australian government about Pine

1312
00:57:14,980 --> 00:57:13,069
Gap and some of them have been

1313
00:57:17,529 --> 00:57:14,990
successful there's an author call if you

1314
00:57:19,870 --> 00:57:17,539
look up a man called des ball he wrote

1315
00:57:22,299 --> 00:57:19,880
in about in the mid 80s a book called a

1316
00:57:23,950 --> 00:57:22,309
base for debate and and because the

1317
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:23,960
Australian public had never really

1318
00:57:28,750 --> 00:57:27,049
debated whether we want and a mostly

1319
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:28,760
American facility in the middle of

1320
00:57:33,309 --> 00:57:30,710
Australia that's going to be a prime

1321
00:57:35,049 --> 00:57:33,319
nucular target in World War 3 you know

1322
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:35,059
we don't necessarily want that and the

1323
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:36,890
government just let it happen we're

1324
00:57:41,769 --> 00:57:39,710
paying for it to a lot of it and so des

1325
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:41,779
ball wrote this book essentially saying

1326
00:57:46,690 --> 00:57:44,569
you know this facility is is incredibly

1327
00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:46,700
sensitive but we don't know what goes on

1328
00:57:50,130 --> 00:57:48,140
there the Australian public certainly

1329
00:57:52,420 --> 00:57:50,140
don't know no know what goes on there

1330
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:52,430
the Americans do what they want there

1331
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:53,839
they even use their own currency there

1332
00:57:58,690 --> 00:57:55,730
they have their own passports there and

1333
00:58:00,339 --> 00:57:58,700
they yeah and so there's another

1334
00:58:02,890 --> 00:58:00,349
Institute in Melbourne here called the

1335
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:02,900
Nautilus Institute if anyone remember I

1336
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:05,049
think it's spelt in aut

1337
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:07,140
il is or something at

1338
00:58:11,420 --> 00:58:09,390
Nautilus Institute and they've found an

1339
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,430
enormous amount of material on Pine Gap

1340
00:58:16,460 --> 00:58:13,200
and look this I've never read anything

1341
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,470
that's suitable or all worth you know

1342
00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:18,960
standing by that discusses UFOs or

1343
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:21,420
aliens or mind-control experiments or

1344
00:58:26,660 --> 00:58:24,150
laser beam weapons but I will admit it

1345
00:58:29,020 --> 00:58:26,670
is a very very sensitive facility it is

1346
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:29,030
very well funded it has a large staff

1347
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:31,500
apparently the equipment they use there

1348
00:58:36,860 --> 00:58:34,890
is absolutely cutting edge like it is

1349
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:36,870
some of the most advanced eavesdropping

1350
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:39,530
and display and computer and service

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equipment on the planet so yeah it's a

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00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:44,340
really interesting topic and it's it's

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00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,330
right in the middle of the country

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00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,280
trying to get there is a nightmare so no

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00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:49,200
one bothers ya it's it's fascinating

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00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,570
place let me ask you a question here

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00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,760
about the methodology so you're getting

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00:58:57,590 --> 00:58:55,440
Freedom of Information from different

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00:58:59,930 --> 00:58:57,600
countries but obviously it's complicated

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00:59:02,600 --> 00:58:59,940
if you're talking about a base that's

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00:59:05,330 --> 00:59:02,610
jointly run by two countries and so the

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00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:05,340
bureaucracies Gaige have their own turf

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00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:09,990
but in general Australia the u.s. is

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00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,970
there a difference in games information

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00:59:15,470 --> 00:59:13,440
what other countries have you looked

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00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:15,480
into the first country in the world to

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00:59:20,180 --> 00:59:17,670
have a Freedom of Information process

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00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:20,190
where people civilians could ask the

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00:59:24,350 --> 00:59:22,140
government or government agencies for

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00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:24,360
specific records I kicked off I think in

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00:59:29,570 --> 00:59:28,290
nineteen it was either 1964 and 1968 in

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00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:29,580
the United States they were the first

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00:59:32,330 --> 00:59:30,690
government look I think maybe

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00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:32,340
Switzerland or somewhere had something

1375
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:34,140
similar but but the United States were

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00:59:37,940 --> 00:59:35,430
the first major government to have a

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00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:37,950
Freedom of Information process and and

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00:59:43,550 --> 00:59:40,410
it was massively strengthened in the

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00:59:45,590 --> 00:59:43,560
early 70s so that they couldn't they had

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00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,600
to reply to you quickly they couldn't

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00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:47,520
charge too much for documents etc and

1382
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:49,740
then Australia got its Freedom of

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00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:53,250
Information Act laws in I think 1988

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00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:55,530
England actually had this kick off in

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01:00:00,830 --> 00:59:58,260
about 2000 something New Zealand's got

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01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:00,840
there's the Canadians have the access to

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01:00:05,180 --> 01:00:03,060
Information Act and the big difference

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01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:05,190
between Australia's and America sees

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01:00:09,860 --> 01:00:08,010
this it's really interesting so we've

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got big departments like Department of

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Defense Department of Education

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01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:14,160
Department of Health and Community

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01:00:19,010 --> 01:00:16,530
Services and so on and those massive

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01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:19,020
organizations they have foi or freedom

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01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:20,160
of information

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01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:22,380
disks right but what's odd is in the

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01:00:27,350 --> 01:00:24,180
United States your government is so

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massive that actual each individual area

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or each individual sub office or

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Directorate or squadron or battalion or

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01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,430
task force has their own foi desks so

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01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:37,500
it's amazing because you can have a

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squadron i'll make it up the 64th

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01:00:44,090 --> 01:00:41,700
Fighter Wing oh sorry the 64th fighter

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attack fighter squadron they will have

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01:00:48,590 --> 01:00:46,560
an FOI officer there that searches

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01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:48,600
records for people response to FOI

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01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:52,740
requests now the wing above him so it

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01:00:57,590 --> 01:00:54,660
might be the first command and control

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01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:57,600
wing they have there are an FOI desk and

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01:01:01,280 --> 01:00:59,130
then the group the Air Force group above

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01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:01,290
them has their own foi desk so there's

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01:01:06,350 --> 01:01:03,270
literally Freedom of Information Act

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desks and Privacy Act desks and you know

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01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:08,820
most levels of government and it amazes

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01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:11,220
me that something like in the Army the a

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01:01:17,660 --> 01:01:14,250
battalion has an FOI desk and process

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01:01:19,340 --> 01:01:17,670
their brigade above them has one and the

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01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:19,350
division above that has one or even the

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01:01:24,050 --> 01:01:22,140
Corps above that has an FOI desk and

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01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:24,060
that's it's nothing like that here when

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01:01:27,470 --> 01:01:25,110
you want to foi

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or sitting there for white our Navy say

1424
01:01:30,590 --> 01:01:28,920
you just send it to the to the

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01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:30,600
Department of Defense and they farm it

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01:01:34,670 --> 01:01:33,450
off to the Navy and and and someone has

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01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:34,680
to handle it and try and get you the

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:36,270
documents we'll find if they're to

1429
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,130
classified to release or whatever but

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01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,040
your government is just foi des five a

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01:01:44,810 --> 01:01:43,440
hundred and that's a very very big

1432
01:01:46,820 --> 01:01:44,820
difference the other big difference is

1433
01:01:49,550 --> 01:01:46,830
that your government has become very

1434
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:49,560
lazy with foi they they're not abiding

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01:01:54,140 --> 01:01:52,170
by the foi laws they're they're dodging

1436
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:54,150
things very easily they take years to

1437
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:56,310
come back to you my government and

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01:02:00,320 --> 01:01:58,050
certainly New Zealand's government is

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01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:00,330
very very very streamlined it's very

1440
01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:02,690
quick they're routinely very honest

1441
01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:04,680
england's is probably somewhere in the

1442
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:06,780
middle I don't know much about Canada's

1443
01:02:10,610 --> 01:02:08,250
but I've done I've done if I were

1444
01:02:12,430 --> 01:02:10,620
requests in the United States many in

1445
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:12,440
Australia and quite a few in England and

1446
01:02:16,790 --> 01:02:14,760
my affair looked as differences between

1447
01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:16,800
all of them but the spirit of the law

1448
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:19,040
and the spirit of the freedom of of

1449
01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:21,450
records is basically the same in all

1450
01:02:26,210 --> 01:02:23,550
countries it's just that the details are

1451
01:02:27,590 --> 01:02:26,220
widely different wildly different so in

1452
01:02:30,410 --> 01:02:27,600
the United States there's more of a

1453
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:30,420
dodge if you get to a young agency we

1454
01:02:34,460 --> 01:02:32,610
don't have any information you have to

1455
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:34,470
for another agency so you first before

1456
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:36,420
you do anything else you have to figure

1457
01:02:41,570 --> 01:02:39,510
out what office or what base has this

1458
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:41,580
information now Randall have you done

1459
01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:45,570
any FOI requests in Canada no I haven't

1460
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:48,270
done any in Canada I'm not even sure of

1461
01:02:51,350 --> 01:02:49,710
the process up here to tell you the

1462
01:02:54,380 --> 01:02:51,360
truth that I know that the Canadian

1463
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:54,390
government just gave us access to a

1464
01:02:58,490 --> 01:02:55,770
whole bunch like what they've done in

1465
01:02:59,330 --> 01:02:58,500
the UK recently where you can just go

1466
01:03:01,370 --> 01:02:59,340
and look at them

1467
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:01,380
so I've done a lot of looking through

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01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,460
those and whatever else is available on

1469
01:03:09,590 --> 01:03:07,440
the net but I'm so busy with everything

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01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:09,600
else that's out there and just keeping

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01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:12,630
up with it that you know there's more

1472
01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:15,180
than me out there that's doing this so

1473
01:03:19,550 --> 01:03:17,700
yeah I'm more of an analyst of the stuff

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01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:19,560
that actually comes in than someone who

1475
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goes out and does a lot of dije got

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01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:23,640
going out and getting it is really tough

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like it's it's very slow you have to

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know I mean just because you assume that

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say it's I take Canadian Coast Royal

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Canadian Air for paul-dean gene

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cast calm okay so we're talking about

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the process of Freedom of Information

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requests now in the end you do get the

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documents so a lot of times anyway and

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they redacted and we have no idea what's

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being blacked out we have no idea if

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that's being done legitimately or just

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because they are just having fun with

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you there's been so many examples of

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every different combination of things

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there has been numerous cases where you

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can absolutely prove beyond the shadow

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of a doubt that a a military or

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intelligence to partner and or

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Directorate or command or squadron or

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whatever has lie through their teeth

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documents or has at least certainly

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deliberately not looked hard enough then

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there is cases where documents have been

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found and there's a lot of these events

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where and yeah it's not even surprising

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really that where documents on UFOs or

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at least unknown aircraft or or events

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where radar systems have been tripped or

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or whatever where where documents have

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come out you know three pages of this

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sighting or three pages of this radar

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here or ten pages of an unusual nimis

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over Oklahoma where whole sections are

1609
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redacted a paragraph here a paragraph

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there and yeah a lot of the time we've

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got no idea what's under there we

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particularly when it comes to opinion

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paste-like government opinion pieces or

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government position statements on the

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UFO topic or at least on a particular

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01:09:39,660 --> 01:09:37,810
case sometimes it's really easy to tell

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01:09:41,340 --> 01:09:39,670
what's underneath a redaction you can

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01:09:44,010 --> 01:09:41,350
tell it's the name of a country if you

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01:09:47,610 --> 01:09:44,020
get a Defense Intelligence Agency like

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01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:47,620
air or naval attache or embassy document

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01:09:51,570 --> 01:09:49,210
that quite clearly

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01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:51,580
is referring to a particular geographic

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01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:54,130
location overseas where the document

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01:09:59,370 --> 01:09:56,590
says something like at over 400 hours

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:09:59,380
the island of and then this that there's

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01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:01,570
a huge black line and then at the

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01:10:07,380 --> 01:10:05,350
consents continues was plagued by a damn

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01:10:08,670 --> 01:10:07,390
satellite event and possibly something

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01:10:10,110 --> 01:10:08,680
else weirder

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01:10:11,970 --> 01:10:10,120
like you know that they're talking about

1631
01:10:14,250 --> 01:10:11,980
a particular Islands it could be Cuba it

1632
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:14,260
could be Bermuda whatever and so

1633
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:15,610
sometimes you know exactly what's

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01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:16,870
underneath there in Australia for

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01:10:20,910 --> 01:10:18,910
instance they redact signatures and they

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01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:20,920
reject internal phone number if I if I

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01:10:25,470 --> 01:10:23,410
get it got documents say out of

1638
01:10:27,450 --> 01:10:25,480
Amberleigh Air Force Base in Queensland

1639
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:27,460
Australia and it's a document called

1640
01:10:33,930 --> 01:10:30,400
media instructions on how to how to

1641
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:33,940
handle UFO sightings for our Amberleigh

1642
01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:36,010
air force base base executive officer

1643
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,380
now underneath like you read it and it

1644
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:40,719
says something like this order is from

1645
01:10:45,150 --> 01:10:42,540
the commander of Australian Air Force

1646
01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:45,160
from now on media phone calls or

1647
01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:47,200
correspondence about UFO sightings will

1648
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:48,820
be handled by the basic security officer

1649
01:10:53,130 --> 01:10:51,250
will refer the media organization to

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:53,140
headquarters if underneath that there is

1651
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:54,730
a there is a phone number for the

1652
01:10:59,490 --> 01:10:57,610
ambulance base executive officer that

1653
01:11:01,470 --> 01:10:59,500
will be redacted quite obviously it is a

1654
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:01,480
phone number because it says pH and then

1655
01:11:04,979 --> 01:11:03,280
and then the word is all the numbers are

1656
01:11:07,229 --> 01:11:04,989
redacted same thing like I said with

1657
01:11:09,660 --> 01:11:07,239
signatures and names but sometimes

1658
01:11:11,490 --> 01:11:09,670
there's whole paragraphs at all or large

1659
01:11:12,690 --> 01:11:11,500
streams of words that are totally

1660
01:11:14,490 --> 01:11:12,700
blacked out particularly in the

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01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:14,500
intelligence community they want to

1662
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:16,120
protect not only are they embarrassed at

1663
01:11:19,979 --> 01:11:18,550
the UFO topic we've proved that there's

1664
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:19,989
no doubt about that especially going

1665
01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:22,239
back to the 70s and 80s but you just

1666
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:23,500
don't know what's what's underneath

1667
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,790
there because often they're trying to

1668
01:11:28,410 --> 01:11:26,800
protect sources and methods that they're

1669
01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:28,420
blacking out whole paragraphs because

1670
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:31,180
they want to protect how they got some

1671
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:33,370
information when it was given to them

1672
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:35,800
what they proposed to classify the

1673
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:38,110
information why it was classified top

1674
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:39,910
secret what will be done in the future

1675
01:11:43,530 --> 01:11:41,410
that stuff's going to be blacked out

1676
01:11:44,970 --> 01:11:43,540
time and time and time again there's no

1677
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:44,980
surprise there it would be like that

1678
01:11:48,209 --> 01:11:46,510
with any topic it would be like that

1679
01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:48,219
with the movement of nuclear weapons or

1680
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:51,550
the outbreak of a flu in an overseas

1681
01:11:57,060 --> 01:11:55,450
American base or a suspicious fire in a

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01:11:59,600 --> 01:11:57,070
submarine or whatever of course they're

1683
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,610
going to protect sensitive information

1684
01:12:03,980 --> 01:12:01,440
the other thing they like to do is

1685
01:12:06,500 --> 01:12:03,990
change the names of these programs

1686
01:12:08,750 --> 01:12:06,510
around a lot so here recently we've had

1687
01:12:11,450 --> 01:12:08,760
this advanced aerospace or aviation

1688
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:11,460
depending on which one you choose thread

1689
01:12:15,860 --> 01:12:13,920
identification program and of whether

1690
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:15,870
you choose aerospace or aviation

1691
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:17,970
probably matters but then we're finding

1692
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:19,890
out that it was originally called

1693
01:12:25,550 --> 01:12:22,020
advanced aerospace weapons systems

1694
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:25,560
application program yeah like that yeah

1695
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:28,320
always the ones who may in that bloke in

1696
01:12:32,210 --> 01:12:30,630
our sweden roger Glassell and to a

1697
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:32,220
lesser extent Kurt Collins who I'm sure

1698
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:33,360
if I think you've had on your show

1699
01:12:38,270 --> 01:12:35,850
before Kurt is on been on a lot of shows

1700
01:12:41,290 --> 01:12:38,280
and he's done some really great stuff in

1701
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:41,300
fact he manages a site that I created

1702
01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:45,690
for observing the memory of James Mosely

1703
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:49,080
oh yeah James mozilla.com I recommend

1704
01:12:53,330 --> 01:12:51,540
that ya Kurt's one of our favorites yeah

1705
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:53,340
Kurt's good I talk to him every day or

1706
01:12:57,980 --> 01:12:55,890
you know a lot of days between the two

1707
01:12:59,600 --> 01:12:57,990
of us Roger Glassell and I both

1708
01:13:01,820 --> 01:12:59,610
independently of each other we weren't

1709
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:01,830
even talking about anything at the time

1710
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:04,050
this was a few months ago we we both

1711
01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:07,800
found out about a aw s AP advanced

1712
01:13:12,980 --> 01:13:10,140
aerospace weapons system application or

1713
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:12,990
program it was a bit troubling for me

1714
01:13:17,780 --> 01:13:15,810
but I I got it by god I got a call well

1715
01:13:20,690 --> 01:13:17,790
I got a emails first but I got a call in

1716
01:13:23,180 --> 01:13:20,700
in March of this year from someone in

1717
01:13:24,770 --> 01:13:23,190
the Pentagon who is a pen-pusher is a

1718
01:13:27,020 --> 01:13:24,780
portfolio pen-pusher is his

1719
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:27,030
administrative officer but within the

1720
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,370
Department of Defense and he was very

1721
01:13:35,150 --> 01:13:31,920
keen on my my blog my research and he

1722
01:13:36,710 --> 01:13:35,160
told me that he had found out he wasn't

1723
01:13:39,950 --> 01:13:36,720
even hard for him but he had found out

1724
01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:39,960
that I a type II was originally born

1725
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:43,470
from a program called a a WS AP and he

1726
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:45,330
gave me the full name advanced aerospace

1727
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:47,610
systems application program now this was

1728
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:50,850
a man who who sent me an email from from

1729
01:13:55,340 --> 01:13:53,400
a very rudimentary email account with

1730
01:13:56,690 --> 01:13:55,350
very little background over I mean it

1731
01:13:58,130 --> 01:13:56,700
was worded very well and he was

1732
01:14:00,020 --> 01:13:58,140
obviously articulate but I thought

1733
01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:00,030
something's not right here I'm having

1734
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:02,280
Malik called you know at Lewis Elizondo

1735
01:14:06,020 --> 01:14:04,410
the guy that ran a ATO I play has never

1736
01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:06,030
mentioned this I've never seen this

1737
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:07,860
acronym I looked it up on the internet I

1738
01:14:12,260 --> 01:14:09,900
couldn't find it I looked in the federal

1739
01:14:12,820 --> 01:14:12,270
register couldn't find it so I of course

1740
01:14:14,290 --> 01:14:12,830
I was in

1741
01:14:17,230 --> 01:14:14,300
look a gift horse in the mouth so so I

1742
01:14:20,140 --> 01:14:17,240
got back to him and he called me and he

1743
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,150
he was clearly from Washington because

1744
01:14:25,420 --> 01:14:22,640
well one he's just the way talked and

1745
01:14:26,770 --> 01:14:25,430
two when I rang him that I got to ring

1746
01:14:28,690 --> 01:14:26,780
him as well as him ringing me but it

1747
01:14:31,060 --> 01:14:28,700
actually said on my phone Washington DC

1748
01:14:33,340 --> 01:14:31,070
district and he talked very quickly he

1749
01:14:36,130 --> 01:14:33,350
was very professional and he said and he

1750
01:14:39,340 --> 01:14:36,140
said it was originally called from 2007

1751
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:39,350
2008 it was originally called a aw s AP

1752
01:14:44,230 --> 01:14:40,730
I think you should be doing your FOI

1753
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:44,240
requests on that instead of a a type a

1754
01:14:48,100 --> 01:14:46,010
and I couldn't believe it so but then I

1755
01:14:49,870 --> 01:14:48,110
submit an FOI request using that name

1756
01:14:53,140 --> 01:14:49,880
for any mission briefs and statements

1757
01:14:54,940 --> 01:14:53,150
and memoranda on a AWS API submitted

1758
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:54,950
those if I request to the Defense

1759
01:14:58,930 --> 01:14:56,930
Intelligence Agency and the office of

1760
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,940
the Secretary of Defense they both got

1761
01:15:01,930 --> 01:15:00,320
back to me and they said you're in the

1762
01:15:03,550 --> 01:15:01,940
queue we're gonna process documents if

1763
01:15:04,930 --> 01:15:03,560
we can find them there's thousands of

1764
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:04,940
requests in front of you blah blah blah

1765
01:15:09,610 --> 01:15:07,280
a month passes and I didn't tell anyone

1766
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,620
about this and a month passes and Roger

1767
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:11,840
Glassell from Sweden does some excellent

1768
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,790
research on some documents that were

1769
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:15,920
written by Halpert off and Eric Davis

1770
01:15:21,310 --> 01:15:18,800
and on the front cover of these

1771
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:21,320
documents there dude

1772
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:23,330
they're called dude documents they're

1773
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:25,040
about wormholes in space traveling and

1774
01:15:29,170 --> 01:15:26,570
advanced propulsion and so on and right

1775
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:29,180
there on the front cover there is a huge

1776
01:15:33,460 --> 01:15:31,250
sticker over the front cover of all

1777
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:33,470
these weird documents and it says

1778
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:35,450
advanced aerospace weapons system

1779
01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:37,730
application program and I looked at it

1780
01:15:41,050 --> 01:15:39,590
and I said that's my program that's the

1781
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:41,060
one that was told to me by the guy on

1782
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:43,010
Washington and I've submitted if I were

1783
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:44,570
a quest two months ago so I got onto

1784
01:15:50,230 --> 01:15:47,600
Roger and we just talked it through and

1785
01:15:52,150 --> 01:15:50,240
we worked out that this is real so

1786
01:15:54,850 --> 01:15:52,160
you're absolutely right when they move

1787
01:15:57,610 --> 01:15:54,860
names around I mean if you've got if you

1788
01:16:00,850 --> 01:15:57,620
if you've got in for instance in England

1789
01:16:03,850 --> 01:16:00,860
when a plane narrowly misses another

1790
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:03,860
object it's called an air procs in

1791
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:06,290
Australia it's called a near-miss so if

1792
01:16:09,790 --> 01:16:08,210
you don't know which word to use if you

1793
01:16:12,010 --> 01:16:09,800
ask the government for any cases where a

1794
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:12,020
plane has had a near miss with an object

1795
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:14,090
they can legitimately come back over it

1796
01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:15,890
it's a bit nasty or a bit technical but

1797
01:16:19,810 --> 01:16:17,560
they can come back and they can say no

1798
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:19,820
well we're gonna have a near-miss if we

1799
01:16:26,140 --> 01:16:22,850
don't stop for this announcement Paul

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Dean gene and Randall if you're in the

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impossible so it filters fast we have

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some good advice forget it instead

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remember this text best five five two

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four four three four four three and

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check fridge filters off your to-do list

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forever get it all taken care of for a

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fraction of big box store prices with a

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filters fast brand filter to see how

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much you can save plus get free shipping

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text best five five two four four three

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four four three with a huge range of

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brand-name filters available filters

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fast is America's number one online

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filtration company and you can get a

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filters fast brand filter for a fraction

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of the price delivered your door every

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time you need it no need to remember

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it's not a matter of if you need a

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fridge filter why not text to get it

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taken care of to see how much you can

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save and get free shipping

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text best five five two four four three

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four four three that's B est five five

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today this is Marie G Jones the author

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01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,510
of this book is from the future and you

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01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:02,239
are listening to the podcast the gold

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01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:10,370
standard of paranormal radio very good

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01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:13,520
very good Paul Dean is soon gonna be our

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01:21:18,850 --> 01:21:15,920
Australian version of Nick Redfern yeah

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01:21:20,020 --> 01:21:18,860
you got the Down Under accent man yes

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yeah

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01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:23,989
accents - a strong I talk quickly as

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well let's talk about this so you have

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to know the words the lingo values in a

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01:21:35,020 --> 01:21:32,960
different country to describe the same

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01:21:36,100 --> 01:21:35,030
event now the other thing I want to know

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01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:36,110
about you say they're moving names

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01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:37,489
around they're doing all sorts of things

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01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:41,360
- ops for you Kate this information but

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01:21:45,310 --> 01:21:43,370
at the end of the day and this is kind

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01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:45,320
of a big question here we've got all

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01:21:50,710 --> 01:21:48,080
this freedom of information stuff that

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01:21:52,930 --> 01:21:50,720
has come out you've collected a lot we

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01:21:55,150 --> 01:21:52,940
have some people here at the black fault

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01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:55,160
for example they've collected a lot of

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01:22:00,520 --> 01:21:57,650
information Larry Bryant did in his time

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at the end of the day with thousands and

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01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:02,239
thousands of documents do we have

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01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:06,080
anything approaching a smoking gun about

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01:22:11,620 --> 01:22:08,330
UFO reality or is it just a lot of

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01:22:14,410 --> 01:22:11,630
tantalizing stuff and not much more huge

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01:22:16,930 --> 01:22:14,420
huge amount of tantalizing stuff as far

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as an absolute smoking gun there is

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01:22:22,690 --> 01:22:19,760
documents quite famous documents that's

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definitely definitely quite close what

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01:22:27,310 --> 01:22:24,890
you can prove is the government and

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01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:27,320
military officials aviation officials

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01:22:32,020 --> 01:22:30,320
flight and flying officials naval

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01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:32,030
officials whatever you can absolutely

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01:22:38,290 --> 01:22:36,110
prove that they believe in UFOs you can

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01:22:40,690 --> 01:22:38,300
absolutely show that that policymakers

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01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:40,700
and right through to pilots flight

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01:22:46,450 --> 01:22:43,730
instructors you can show that extremely

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01:22:48,670 --> 01:22:46,460
large number of officers ranked from

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01:22:51,729 --> 01:22:48,680
right up you know from the seaman right

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01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:51,739
up right up to rear Admirals have have

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01:22:56,710 --> 01:22:54,020
shown considerable concern if not even

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01:22:58,840 --> 01:22:56,720
cited UFOs themselves you can certainly

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01:23:00,460 --> 01:22:58,850
show that they take the matter or at

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01:23:02,709 --> 01:23:00,470
least took the matter very seriously as

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01:23:03,490 --> 01:23:02,719
far as we've never obviously we would

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01:23:04,959 --> 01:23:03,500
all know about it

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01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:04,969
I would publish at the moment it came

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01:23:06,820 --> 01:23:05,390
out

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01:23:09,730 --> 01:23:06,830
would any other decent research we've

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01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,740
never had a document where say an entire

1956
01:23:14,020 --> 01:23:11,600
board of science of government

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01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:14,030
scientists or an entire committee have

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01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:16,880
gone round and an absolutely promise

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01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:18,890
black-and-blue we are being visited you

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01:23:22,180 --> 01:23:20,570
know we've never had that we've had

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01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,190
things approaching I'd like to eat them

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01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:24,320
the famed estimate of the situation or

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01:23:30,490 --> 01:23:28,370
the document in 1948 or 1949 s goes to

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the estimate documents or some of the

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01:23:34,810 --> 01:23:33,110
early Colonel McCoy Air Force documents

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01:23:36,750 --> 01:23:34,820
come pretty close but but we've never

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01:23:39,070 --> 01:23:36,760
had in modern times we've never had

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01:23:40,780 --> 01:23:39,080
something that's that you could go to

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01:23:42,970 --> 01:23:40,790
the president or a prime minister or the

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01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:42,980
UN and say you know do something about

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01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:44,930
it we've never had that but we've got a

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01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:46,970
lot of policy a lot of Secrets a lot of

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01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:49,280
cover-ups a lot of a lot of interesting

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01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:51,530
stuff that certainly points in in in a

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01:23:56,140 --> 01:23:54,130
in a direction but implies that

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01:23:58,270 --> 01:23:56,150
government agencies know quite a bit

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01:23:59,470 --> 01:23:58,280
more or have in the past have know quite

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01:24:02,560 --> 01:23:59,480
a bit more than what they've ever said

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01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:02,570
yeah I think that's pretty yes pretty

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01:24:06,820 --> 01:24:04,970
self-evident pretty sure from once you

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01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:06,830
start looking through it all and I

1982
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:08,750
really like your attitude when you say

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01:24:13,450 --> 01:24:11,210
you know any self-respecting researcher

1984
01:24:16,180 --> 01:24:13,460
or decent researcher would publish it

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01:24:18,490 --> 01:24:16,190
right away if they were able to get that

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01:24:20,770 --> 01:24:18,500
sort of documentation so what does it

1987
01:24:22,510 --> 01:24:20,780
say about something like this to the

1988
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,520
Stars thing where they just lead people

1989
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:24,560
on with tantalizing bits of information

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01:24:30,370 --> 01:24:27,530
and some comments on that if you've got

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01:24:33,070 --> 01:24:30,380
any yeah it's certainly a different way

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01:24:35,380 --> 01:24:33,080
of doing things um I have followed it

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01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:35,390
quite closely like hundreds and hundreds

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01:24:38,710 --> 01:24:37,250
of other people have a lot of people

1995
01:24:40,900 --> 01:24:38,720
have followed it close to closer than me

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01:24:43,900 --> 01:24:40,910
or certainly the to the Stars Academy in

1997
01:24:46,660 --> 01:24:43,910
the Tom DeLonge connection I've studied

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01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:46,670
it and look at ease it is unusual I'm a

1999
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:49,040
foundational researcher as far as I'm

2000
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:51,440
quite by the book I like things to be

2001
01:24:56,650 --> 01:24:54,320
just so I don't particularly like social

2002
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:56,660
media that much I don't particularly

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01:25:02,680 --> 01:24:59,600
like a huge amount of attention I'll do

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01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:02,690
radio shows or or post blogs but I would

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01:25:06,970 --> 01:25:05,840
never ever ever go on TV or or a lot of

2006
01:25:09,010 --> 01:25:06,980
people like me wouldn't you know that

2007
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:09,020
someone like Larry Bryant for instance

2008
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,730
or Kurt Collins they wouldn't be saying

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01:25:15,460 --> 01:25:12,560
dead getting up and you know signing

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01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:15,470
book autographs in front of cameras and

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01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:17,130
trying to sell coffee mugs

2012
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,320
just not how it's done for us but

2013
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:21,120
obviously tonnes along and that to the

2014
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:23,850
Stars people want to do it like that for

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01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:25,650
some reason I it is certainly very

2016
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:28,890
modern they want to mix UFO truth or

2017
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,110
what they call UFO truth or UFO reality

2018
01:25:36,050 --> 01:25:33,600
with with entertainment with social

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01:25:38,750 --> 01:25:36,060
media with with book deals with getting

2020
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:38,760
people involved with expanding horizons

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01:25:44,180 --> 01:25:41,760
in areas of technology that I don't even

2022
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:44,190
think could be related to the UFO topic

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01:25:50,060 --> 01:25:47,280
they are withholding a lot of stuff they

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01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:50,070
are definitely withholding I would say

2025
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,530
interviews with people like pilots and

2026
01:25:57,230 --> 01:25:54,000
government officials I think that they

2027
01:25:59,210 --> 01:25:57,240
are withholding a lot of internal

2028
01:26:03,110 --> 01:25:59,220
correspondence that they had with the

2029
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:03,120
Pentagon or other concerned areas but I

2030
01:26:06,380 --> 01:26:04,320
mean we don't even know how long this

2031
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:06,390
has been going we know how long tom

2032
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,130
delonge has been interested in the UFO

2033
01:26:12,830 --> 01:26:10,560
topic and other related sort of issues

2034
01:26:14,770 --> 01:26:12,840
but we don't know how many people he's

2035
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,780
met with we have absolutely no idea

2036
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:17,040
where we're going to be in 10 years I

2037
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:19,410
mean I can say where I'll be in 10 years

2038
01:26:23,420 --> 01:26:21,210
old still be producing the same type of

2039
01:26:25,820 --> 01:26:23,430
work I am now and most researchers

2040
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:25,830
should and will be that's for you but

2041
01:26:31,670 --> 01:26:28,490
I'll be a doddering old man it may be

2042
01:26:34,580 --> 01:26:31,680
with your application Freedom of

2043
01:26:37,790 --> 01:26:34,590
Information Act application for this new

2044
01:26:39,650 --> 01:26:37,800
name DEA AWS aap that's still in the

2045
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:39,660
works then but you're saying that you've

2046
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:43,170
since then seen documents with a sticker

2047
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:47,580
on it that has this program name now how

2048
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:49,530
do we even know then that we're dealing

2049
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:51,210
with the same program it sounds like

2050
01:26:55,370 --> 01:26:53,040
we've got one that's dealing with lasers

2051
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:55,380
and theories stuff like that and then

2052
01:26:59,630 --> 01:26:56,960
we've got another one that's tracking

2053
01:27:01,280 --> 01:26:59,640
tick-tack UFOs I've you know the coast

2054
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:01,290
of California that's a very good

2055
01:27:05,330 --> 01:27:03,090
question and that's what took us a while

2056
01:27:07,130 --> 01:27:05,340
for one when a when a Department of

2057
01:27:09,340 --> 01:27:07,140
Defense official comes to me and

2058
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:09,350
specifically says that the current

2059
01:27:13,550 --> 01:27:11,850
calling at AAT I play that's been

2060
01:27:16,430 --> 01:27:13,560
released by the New York Times and Lewis

2061
01:27:18,290 --> 01:27:16,440
Elizondo has been admitted so when he

2062
01:27:20,630 --> 01:27:18,300
comes to me and says that was originally

2063
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:20,640
called a AWS IP and he gave me the full

2064
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:24,300
title that it's believable in the yes I

2065
01:27:27,860 --> 01:27:25,920
didn't have any proof he didn't give me

2066
01:27:30,610 --> 01:27:27,870
any documents whatever but at least he's

2067
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,620
not saying you know I ate the IP

2068
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:32,480
he's actually a billion dollar program

2069
01:27:35,470 --> 01:27:34,250
that involves a hundred countries and

2070
01:27:37,090 --> 01:27:35,480
they've got a base underneath you know

2071
01:27:40,030 --> 01:27:37,100
he didn't say anything fence will he

2072
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:40,040
simply said that IAT IP started as a

2073
01:27:44,170 --> 01:27:41,210
different name and it was slightly

2074
01:27:45,790 --> 01:27:44,180
larger than what it became and and and

2075
01:27:47,530 --> 01:27:45,800
that's totally believable it happens

2076
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:47,540
every day in government it's absolutely

2077
01:27:51,580 --> 01:27:48,710
part of the course I wouldn't expect

2078
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:51,590
anything less but then of course still I

2079
01:27:55,330 --> 01:27:53,450
didn't have any proof but then when

2080
01:27:57,190 --> 01:27:55,340
Roger Glassell found these dude

2081
01:27:59,020 --> 01:27:57,200
documents written by whole boot off and

2082
01:28:00,610 --> 01:27:59,030
Eric Davis the thing that was

2083
01:28:02,410 --> 01:28:00,620
interesting is you've got to understand

2084
01:28:06,130 --> 01:28:02,420
that historically dating back years and

2085
01:28:08,650 --> 01:28:06,140
decades Eric Davis and helper Toph were

2086
01:28:11,530 --> 01:28:08,660
UFO researchers they had studied the UFO

2087
01:28:14,380 --> 01:28:11,540
topic they had written about UFOs and

2088
01:28:16,510 --> 01:28:14,390
supposed UFO propulsion and UFO landing

2089
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:16,520
and UFO this and UFO that they'd been

2090
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:18,410
palpite off and Eric Davis had been

2091
01:28:22,660 --> 01:28:20,690
writing about those topics for years so

2092
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:22,670
it was extraordinary to see these

2093
01:28:29,020 --> 01:28:26,690
documents from the year 2010 that are

2094
01:28:31,330 --> 01:28:29,030
actually about wormholes and space

2095
01:28:34,210 --> 01:28:31,340
travel and and multiverses and whatever

2096
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:34,220
and they're written by UFO researchers

2097
01:28:40,330 --> 01:28:36,650
or people who do UFO research and they

2098
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:40,340
mention this a AWS ap and I'm thinking

2099
01:28:46,540 --> 01:28:43,280
thinking what are the chances that the

2100
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:46,550
UFO researchers who are now clearly

2101
01:28:51,460 --> 01:28:48,110
linked and actually worked for and

2102
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:51,470
actually wrote papers for a AWS IP what

2103
01:28:57,730 --> 01:28:53,810
chance would it be that they've got

2104
01:28:59,350 --> 01:28:57,740
nothing to do with a a t IP as has been

2105
01:29:00,760 --> 01:28:59,360
you know revealed by the New York Times

2106
01:29:03,490 --> 01:29:00,770
and so on and then you've got my guy

2107
01:29:05,740 --> 01:29:03,500
that came to me a few months ago on the

2108
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:05,750
quad and told me that this was the fact

2109
01:29:09,490 --> 01:29:07,520
in the first place the other thing is

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01:29:11,410 --> 01:29:09,500
you asked just then what proof do we

2111
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:11,420
have well you might not know this but

2112
01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:13,730
recently George I think I think was

2113
01:29:18,430 --> 01:29:15,860
George Knapp did it just a few days ago

2114
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:18,440
oh I've been a week ago did a radio show

2115
01:29:24,810 --> 01:29:20,930
with Lewis Elizondo Lewis Elizondo ran a

2116
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:24,820
a to the IP right and now George Knapp

2117
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:28,400
specifically asked on radio we've heard

2118
01:29:35,860 --> 01:29:30,770
this on radio he asked Lewis Elizondo

2119
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:35,870
was a a t IP originally called a a WS AP

2120
01:29:39,919 --> 01:29:39,290
and Elizondo specifically cited yes it

2121
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:39,929
was

2122
01:29:47,630 --> 01:29:44,850
about that

2123
01:29:50,060 --> 01:29:47,640
we've got we know it was and then he he

2124
01:29:52,780 --> 01:29:50,070
specifically started on radio that that

2125
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:52,790
it became it sort of morphed into a

2126
01:29:58,610 --> 01:29:55,800
eighty IP so it morphed it morphed from

2127
01:30:01,340 --> 01:29:58,620
a long range advanced weapons propulsion

2128
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:01,350
weird area stuff and it morphed into

2129
01:30:07,820 --> 01:30:04,770
solely a UFO disk into the into the sort

2130
01:30:09,410 --> 01:30:07,830
of 2010-2012 of course if you don't want

2131
01:30:11,450 --> 01:30:09,420
to break like that you can always

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some liquid refreshment let me reassure

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you

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unlike some people we've had on the show

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very few I know who they are I know who

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they are because the shadow knows ha ha

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ha no seriously it was just water this

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is just water it's sunny 10 o'clock in

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the morning oh yeah we have to kind of

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Canada it's a little bit later Wednesday

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afternoon because Randall is one hour

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later than I am in Australia it's

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Thursday it is yet Thursday morning it's

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it's 10:30 a.m. in the morning so we're

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a lot of hit where many hours later

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viewer nearly died ahead of you by your

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healthcare system is way ahead of us

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yeah our healthcare system is is very

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very very good we've got this thing

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called a Medicare card and you can just

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go anywhere doctors specialists and swap

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this Medicare card and and everything is

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either free or extremely cheap or cheap

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certainly cheaper than what you guys

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have if you're over 65 oh okay you have

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a Medicare card I have a Medicare card I

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have something called Medicare plus

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though which is run by a private

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insurance company and it's kind of like

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getting a supplement to Medicare so your

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deductibles are way way down low your

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drug payments are way way down low so

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whenever I've become debilitated and

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very sick and need to run around the

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wheelchair or Walker and I don't know

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01:36:44,030 --> 01:36:41,610
what's going on I'm dribbling all the

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01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:44,040
time and not because of basketball it

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01:36:48,440 --> 01:36:46,530
will hopefully help why are we talking

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about this just go ahead yeah getting

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back all right let's get back to the

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01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:54,000
topics folks now you were saying that

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01:36:58,610 --> 01:36:56,130
the if I heard you right you were saying

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01:37:02,060 --> 01:36:58,620
that these documents that you saw with

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the sticker on them sure from 2012 just

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01:37:08,540 --> 01:37:03,060
has some channeling

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01:37:09,980 --> 01:37:08,550
yeah okay well the AAT IP started back

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01:37:14,020 --> 01:37:09,990
in 2007

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01:37:17,480 --> 01:37:14,030
yes difference in dates here yeah no

2287
01:37:25,010 --> 01:37:17,490
okay I'll have to look at this I think

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01:37:25,549 --> 01:37:25,020
the analyst so I just wait a minute

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01:37:27,589 --> 01:37:25,559
something

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01:37:29,839 --> 01:37:27,599
adding up I see what happened was is

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01:37:32,839 --> 01:37:29,849
that for a period at that the programs

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01:37:34,939 --> 01:37:32,849
are led or all the actual contracts the

2293
01:37:37,549 --> 01:37:34,949
the paperwork to start the program so

2294
01:37:42,500 --> 01:37:37,559
funding and memoranda and so on was in

2295
01:37:44,869 --> 01:37:42,510
2007 program was started off as a AWS AP

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01:37:48,889 --> 01:37:44,879
and I think I think what's happened is

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01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:48,899
is that is that over time they're there

2298
01:37:55,309 --> 01:37:52,169
as they're as they've had a paperwork's

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01:37:58,159 --> 01:37:55,319
like like reports and briefs submitted

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01:38:01,489 --> 01:37:58,169
it's been over many years and the the

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01:38:04,189 --> 01:38:01,499
the program has morphed into a a type II

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01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:04,199
which was mostly just UFOs over a period

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01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:06,449
of time so I think that I get the

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01:38:10,699 --> 01:38:08,639
impression that there was a sort of like

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01:38:12,559 --> 01:38:10,709
an overlapping I think that even though

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01:38:15,379 --> 01:38:12,569
the program had changed to a focus on

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01:38:18,859 --> 01:38:15,389
UFOs there was still there was still

2308
01:38:21,829 --> 01:38:18,869
sort of like contractual or or original

2309
01:38:24,169 --> 01:38:21,839
I AWS ap type stuff still being

2310
01:38:25,489 --> 01:38:24,179
submitted some tests so let me get this

2311
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:25,499
straight there and so what you're saying

2312
01:38:32,989 --> 01:38:29,489
is that back in 2007 when it started it

2313
01:38:36,799 --> 01:38:32,999
was actually called a AWS AP and then

2314
01:38:41,020 --> 01:38:36,809
over time it became the AAT IP as

2315
01:38:46,459 --> 01:38:41,030
opposed to something pre-existing before

2316
01:38:48,169 --> 01:38:46,469
2007 that was called the a aw s ap yes

2317
01:38:49,489 --> 01:38:48,179
something like that this is the thing we

2318
01:38:52,609 --> 01:38:49,499
don't know exactly I mean there's a lot

2319
01:38:53,959 --> 01:38:52,619
of talk the site so much I mean I'll

2320
01:38:56,270 --> 01:38:53,969
give you an example one of those

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01:38:59,119 --> 01:38:56,280
documents I was talking about that came

2322
01:39:01,549 --> 01:38:59,129
out that the Roger Glassell sort of

2323
01:39:03,919 --> 01:39:01,559
highlighted that had the stamp on the

2324
01:39:06,649 --> 01:39:03,929
front cover I'll actually I've just got

2325
01:39:07,909 --> 01:39:06,659
it in front of me here and it is from it

2326
01:39:11,389 --> 01:39:07,919
doesn't say but I'm pretty sure it's

2327
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,399
from 2010 but I'll just read the top of

2328
01:39:16,099 --> 01:39:13,679
it that the document was written by Eric

2329
01:39:18,589 --> 01:39:16,109
Davis who is a known UFO researcher and

2330
01:39:20,659 --> 01:39:18,599
the top of it it's called transversal

2331
01:39:23,629 --> 01:39:20,669
wormholes stargates and negative energy

2332
01:39:25,609 --> 01:39:23,639
as prepared by the acquisition Support

2333
01:39:27,770 --> 01:39:25,619
Division defense warning office Defense

2334
01:39:31,579 --> 01:39:27,780
Intelligence Agency the also East PhD

2335
01:39:33,770 --> 01:39:31,589
Eric Davis now the actual sticker on the

2336
01:39:36,290 --> 01:39:33,780
front or stamp on the Frances this

2337
01:39:37,940 --> 01:39:36,300
product is one in a series of advanced

2338
01:39:42,650 --> 01:39:37,950
technology reports

2339
01:39:45,260 --> 01:39:42,660
in fiscal year 2009 under the Defense

2340
01:39:48,050 --> 01:39:45,270
Intelligence Agency's two-faced warning

2341
01:39:51,230 --> 01:39:48,060
offices here we go Advanced aerospace

2342
01:39:54,020 --> 01:39:51,240
weapons systems application program so

2343
01:39:56,630 --> 01:39:54,030
that's into so this document so these

2344
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:56,640
dude documents about wormholes and

2345
01:40:04,700 --> 01:39:59,360
multiverses and whatever were written in

2346
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:04,710
2009 so obviously a AWS AP was was still

2347
01:40:08,990 --> 01:40:07,170
on the books but I believe around about

2348
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:09,000
that time a little earlier it was

2349
01:40:14,300 --> 01:40:11,210
already morphing into what became

2350
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:14,310
advanced aerospace threat identification

2351
01:40:17,630 --> 01:40:16,080
program well I just wanted to get it

2352
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:17,640
clear whether or not there was some

2353
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:20,250
pre-existing program that actually that

2354
01:40:26,330 --> 01:40:23,970
was prior to the 2007 a good question

2355
01:40:29,300 --> 01:40:26,340
this is the area that I study the most I

2356
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:29,310
would not be remotely in fact I'm almost

2357
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:32,400
sure that there have been UFO programs

2358
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:34,650
will before well I mean obviously we

2359
01:40:39,140 --> 01:40:37,050
know about Blue Book in the 60s and so

2360
01:40:40,970 --> 01:40:39,150
on almost positive that your for example

2361
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:40,980
your North American Aerospace Defense

2362
01:40:45,410 --> 01:40:43,440
Command NORAD we've always heard of them

2363
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:45,420
they're tied in with the old US Space

2364
01:40:49,730 --> 01:40:47,730
Command they do air sovereignty space

2365
01:40:52,130 --> 01:40:49,740
tracking and so on fee per you in Canada

2366
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:52,140
they they have over these they have had

2367
01:40:55,340 --> 01:40:54,450
a desk they have had desks than have

2368
01:40:57,860 --> 01:40:55,350
changed names

2369
01:41:00,380 --> 01:40:57,870
one of them's been something called j33

2370
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:00,390
see one of them's been called the center

2371
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:03,090
for aerospace analysis etc they've had

2372
01:41:07,550 --> 01:41:05,280
desks which specifically study

2373
01:41:10,220 --> 01:41:07,560
specifically analyze the weirdest

2374
01:41:12,860 --> 01:41:10,230
unknown radar tracks like the weirdest

2375
01:41:15,020 --> 01:41:12,870
stuff that appears on NORAD's big radar

2376
01:41:16,220 --> 01:41:15,030
systems they've got this and study that

2377
01:41:19,490 --> 01:41:16,230
you can't tell me they haven't

2378
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:19,500
investigated really strange like radar

2379
01:41:24,230 --> 01:41:21,810
events where unknowns or UFOs or

2380
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:24,240
whatever have appeared on on radar

2381
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:25,650
systems for extended periods of time

2382
01:41:31,790 --> 01:41:28,170
maybe but that's very interesting so

2383
01:41:35,150 --> 01:41:31,800
that will be you how do you know about

2384
01:41:36,710 --> 01:41:35,160
those desks specifically because but

2385
01:41:40,250 --> 01:41:36,720
just simply doing research by simply

2386
01:41:42,410 --> 01:41:40,260
writing I mean if if like just joining

2387
01:41:45,230 --> 01:41:42,420
dots I mean the with I'll give you an

2388
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:45,240
example and have they actually have you

2389
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:47,370
got documents from the government that

2390
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:49,410
specifically mentions those particular

2391
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:50,330
desks

2392
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:53,360
absolutely yeah absolutely they don't

2393
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:55,970
these desks the documents we've got they

2394
01:42:02,410 --> 01:41:58,880
don't say you know that NORAD Joint

2395
01:42:04,210 --> 01:42:02,420
Center for aerospace analysis do work on

2396
01:42:05,890 --> 01:42:04,220
unidentified flying objects and flying

2397
01:42:07,570 --> 01:42:05,900
saucers they say nothing like that day

2398
01:42:09,850 --> 01:42:07,580
the documents we've got for instance

2399
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:09,860
I'll give you an example um back in the

2400
01:42:17,230 --> 01:42:13,040
80s and 90s any researcher that would

2401
01:42:19,900 --> 01:42:17,240
write to NORAD or US Space Command any

2402
01:42:23,110 --> 01:42:19,910
researcher would write them and ask them

2403
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:23,120
about UFOs sometimes the reply from

2404
01:42:27,070 --> 01:42:25,250
NORAD or Space command's public

2405
01:42:29,470 --> 01:42:27,080
information desk you would get a colonel

2406
01:42:31,570 --> 01:42:29,480
or a lieutenant colonel writing back to

2407
01:42:33,340 --> 01:42:31,580
you and they would mention if you're

2408
01:42:35,050 --> 01:42:33,350
lucky they would say something like this

2409
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:35,060
they would we've got letters like this

2410
01:42:39,490 --> 01:42:37,370
and that they'd say something like dear

2411
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:39,500
mr. Greenwood or dear mr. Todd

2412
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:42,770
the only disc in this command that would

2413
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,770
study your so-called UFOs or unknown

2414
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:47,600
tracks would be the directorate of

2415
01:42:52,540 --> 01:42:50,480
aerospace analysis housed at the chidlaw

2416
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:52,550
building enter Air Force Base Colorado

2417
01:42:56,170 --> 01:42:54,560
under NORAD headquarters you'd actually

2418
01:42:57,760 --> 01:42:56,180
have those letters so then you do some

2419
01:43:00,760 --> 01:42:57,770
research and you find that this

2420
01:43:03,250 --> 01:43:00,770
Directorate of aerospace analysis you go

2421
01:43:06,370 --> 01:43:03,260
to say a factory you go to a NORAD fact

2422
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:06,380
sheet or a NORAD fact publication or an

2423
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:09,170
oral history and an unclassified history

2424
01:43:13,900 --> 01:43:12,410
of NORAD and right there on page 350 you

2425
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:13,910
have to find these documents on the

2426
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:16,250
Internet you know in old archives right

2427
01:43:21,010 --> 01:43:18,110
there on right at the back and it's a

2428
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:21,020
our current desks include blah blah blah

2429
01:43:24,340 --> 01:43:22,490
and then you'd look up Center for air or

2430
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:24,350
Directorate of our aerospace analysis

2431
01:43:27,820 --> 01:43:26,210
and it would have a paragraph and it

2432
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:27,830
would say the Directorate of aerospace

2433
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:30,530
analysis currently is tasked with

2434
01:43:35,290 --> 01:43:32,960
studying NORAD remaining unknown tracts

2435
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:35,300
and any other unusual or unknown tracks

2436
01:43:40,180 --> 01:43:37,570
picked up by NORAD radar systems

2437
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:40,190
including briefs for commanders about a

2438
01:43:43,870 --> 01:43:42,290
statistical anomalies in aircraft

2439
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:43,880
movements above the United States and

2440
01:43:48,250 --> 01:43:46,010
Canada blah blah blah so you'd get these

2441
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:48,260
you join these dots where you could find

2442
01:43:53,530 --> 01:43:51,050
that that little cells or little disks

2443
01:43:56,820 --> 01:43:53,540
little little little agencies within

2444
01:43:59,980 --> 01:43:56,830
NORAD or Space Command their job was to

2445
01:44:03,460 --> 01:43:59,990
to study anything that was particularly

2446
01:44:03,799 --> 01:44:03,470
unusual advantaged off radar anything

2447
01:44:06,649 --> 01:44:03,809
where

2448
01:44:08,779 --> 01:44:06,659
satellites decayed in orbit or whatever

2449
01:44:11,270 --> 01:44:08,789
and there's piles of these examples I

2450
01:44:13,549 --> 01:44:11,280
mean another example is that is that the

2451
01:44:18,319 --> 01:44:13,559
the old there was a squadron in the 70s

2452
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,329
called the 7 602 D or the 7 602 field

2453
01:44:22,429 --> 01:44:20,159
activities group and that was a bowling

2454
01:44:25,549 --> 01:44:22,439
Air Force Base in I think in Washington

2455
01:44:28,549 --> 01:44:25,559
and one of their jobs was to rapidly

2456
01:44:31,429 --> 01:44:28,559
study incoming space debris so so one of

2457
01:44:33,949 --> 01:44:31,439
their jobs was to look for a Soviet debt

2458
01:44:36,949 --> 01:44:33,959
like it's down Soviets or Eastern Bloc

2459
01:44:39,949 --> 01:44:36,959
satellites so if there was a satellite

2460
01:44:41,989 --> 01:44:39,959
that had come in like an old Soviet

2461
01:44:43,639 --> 01:44:41,999
satellite or maybe an old rocket booster

2462
01:44:45,919 --> 01:44:43,649
that had come in somewhere over the

2463
01:44:48,409 --> 01:44:45,929
Atlantic Ocean or maybe New England or

2464
01:44:51,889 --> 01:44:48,419
Iceland or over America that it was

2465
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:51,899
predicted to crash the simin 602 a field

2466
01:44:55,309 --> 01:44:53,489
activity squirt their job was to

2467
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:55,319
potentially actually go out and get it

2468
01:44:59,029 --> 01:44:57,119
like like so a rocket booster a

2469
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:59,039
satellite actually re-enters Earth's

2470
01:45:02,089 --> 01:45:00,719
atmosphere they don't know whose it is

2471
01:45:05,149 --> 01:45:02,099
they don't know if it's Russia's or

2472
01:45:07,309 --> 01:45:05,159
China's and so they what their job was

2473
01:45:10,819 --> 01:45:07,319
to do was to look at UFO reports because

2474
01:45:12,409 --> 01:45:10,829
people often report UFOs when really

2475
01:45:14,509 --> 01:45:12,419
they're just incoming pieces of space

2476
01:45:16,939 --> 01:45:14,519
junk let's start let's break it here

2477
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:16,949
guys okay we got more to come with Paul

2478
01:45:37,330 --> 01:45:32,800
thank you for listening to GCN

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[Music]

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[Applause]

2526
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:48,180
welcome back to to the para cast the

2527
01:48:00,170 --> 01:47:52,050
gold standard of paranormal radio and

2528
01:48:02,770 --> 01:48:00,180
now here's Jane Steinberg we got more to

2529
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:02,780
come right now because we have Paul Dean

2530
01:48:06,650 --> 01:48:05,130
direct from his palatial estate in

2531
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:06,660
Australia don't tell me you don't live

2532
01:48:11,210 --> 01:48:08,400
in a palatial estate Paul

2533
01:48:13,790 --> 01:48:11,220
no I live in a very normal health well I

2534
01:48:16,490 --> 01:48:13,800
live in a very normal or subnormal motel

2535
01:48:18,860 --> 01:48:16,500
right now I have never asked Randall

2536
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:18,870
what kind of home he lives in they call

2537
01:48:26,510 --> 01:48:23,970
it a four-level split and it was some

2538
01:48:29,930 --> 01:48:26,520
wacky idea from someone and back in the

2539
01:48:31,850 --> 01:48:29,940
early 60s early mid 60's so it's got a

2540
01:48:34,970 --> 01:48:31,860
thing called a crawlspace which is

2541
01:48:36,740 --> 01:48:34,980
really irritating to have to dig stuff

2542
01:48:41,690 --> 01:48:36,750
out of when you need to get at it oh

2543
01:48:45,020 --> 01:48:41,700
really but returning to the topic we

2544
01:48:47,420 --> 01:48:45,030
were talking about how the NORAD and

2545
01:48:50,450 --> 01:48:47,430
various governmental agencies know that

2546
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:50,460
they've got these unidentified objects

2547
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:52,410
coming into their airspace and one of

2548
01:48:57,380 --> 01:48:54,690
the questions I wanted to ask you was

2549
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:57,390
what do they mean by unidentified in

2550
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:00,480
those programs compared to say like

2551
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:02,690
Project Blue Book when they're talking

2552
01:49:06,890 --> 01:49:04,890
unidentified they're saying there's no

2553
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:06,900
way that this thing could even be an

2554
01:49:12,050 --> 01:49:09,840
aircraft so I mean a lot of we know that

2555
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:12,060
a lot of unidentified radar tracks have

2556
01:49:19,070 --> 01:49:15,810
been due to normal aircraft military

2557
01:49:21,470 --> 01:49:19,080
aircraft sr-71 that sort of thing but

2558
01:49:23,660 --> 01:49:21,480
they wouldn't be considered unidentified

2559
01:49:25,490 --> 01:49:23,670
for the purposes of UFO investigations

2560
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:25,500
in the Air Force back in Bluebook days

2561
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:28,080
so how are we differentiating the two

2562
01:49:34,190 --> 01:49:30,690
there do you know the thesis is that is

2563
01:49:36,050 --> 01:49:34,200
that when when NORAD or first Air

2564
01:49:38,750 --> 01:49:36,060
Force's out of Tyndall Air Force Base in

2565
01:49:40,340 --> 01:49:38,760
Florida or or Elmendorf Air Force Base

2566
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:40,350
in Alaska or whatever when they detect

2567
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:42,690
they've got huge primary radar systems

2568
01:49:47,090 --> 01:49:45,210
and different types Doppler a 3d track

2569
01:49:48,979 --> 01:49:47,100
while scan they've got different types

2570
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:48,989
of radar systems that can see out a

2571
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:50,130
hundreds of miles

2572
01:49:55,820 --> 01:49:52,290
then there's the ballistic missile or

2573
01:49:57,359 --> 01:49:55,830
early warning system etc they they we

2574
01:49:59,580 --> 01:49:57,369
definitely know they may leave

2575
01:50:01,139 --> 01:49:59,590
very job is to pick up stuff on radar

2576
01:50:03,899 --> 01:50:01,149
that's obviously not an aircraft it's

2577
01:50:05,939 --> 01:50:03,909
not it's not talking by radio it's not

2578
01:50:08,399 --> 01:50:05,949
it's not running a transponder like an

2579
01:50:10,139 --> 01:50:08,409
iff signal it's doing weird things it

2580
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:10,149
might be coming at the United States or

2581
01:50:14,939 --> 01:50:12,639
Canada incredibly quickly it might be in

2582
01:50:16,889 --> 01:50:14,949
a very unusual altitude it might be

2583
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:16,899
disappearing and reappearing off radar

2584
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:19,090
it might be doing loop-de-loops whatever

2585
01:50:22,830 --> 01:50:21,010
that their job in case there is a

2586
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:22,840
Russian AWACS aircraft or a whole

2587
01:50:28,379 --> 01:50:26,050
squadron of Russian Topalov bombers the

2588
01:50:30,959 --> 01:50:28,389
whole job of these of these of these

2589
01:50:33,239 --> 01:50:30,969
early warning systems is detected is to

2590
01:50:34,679 --> 01:50:33,249
detect unknown objects now obviously

2591
01:50:36,989 --> 01:50:34,689
we're not interested when they pick up

2592
01:50:38,969 --> 01:50:36,999
balloons that they just ignore because

2593
01:50:41,459 --> 01:50:38,979
they're going so slowly or because they

2594
01:50:43,290 --> 01:50:41,469
are seen by civilian airliner as a

2595
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:43,300
balloon you know we're not interested in

2596
01:50:46,619 --> 01:50:44,530
any of that obviously we're only

2597
01:50:48,899 --> 01:50:46,629
interested in the cases that they can't

2598
01:50:50,429 --> 01:50:48,909
solve and we don't know you know

2599
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:50,439
obviously we don't know what happens at

2600
01:50:52,649 --> 01:50:51,489
headquarters and that the sector

2601
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:52,659
headquarters but I'll give you an

2602
01:50:58,109 --> 01:50:54,249
example it kind of answers your question

2603
01:50:59,939 --> 01:50:58,119
we know where NORAD pick up an unknown

2604
01:51:03,209 --> 01:50:59,949
object at first it's simply called an

2605
01:51:04,319 --> 01:51:03,219
unknown track it's not an airliner or it

2606
01:51:06,330 --> 01:51:04,329
could be an airliner that's been

2607
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:06,340
hijacked say that's had us radios turned

2608
01:51:10,169 --> 01:51:07,840
off but but for all intents purposes

2609
01:51:12,330 --> 01:51:10,179
it's not an aircraft or and it's going

2610
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:12,340
too fast to be a balloon it's not going

2611
01:51:17,009 --> 01:51:14,050
to be a missile because it's been up

2612
01:51:19,229 --> 01:51:17,019
there say for so long it's too it's too

2613
01:51:21,179 --> 01:51:19,239
slow to be re-entering space debris we

2614
01:51:24,839 --> 01:51:21,189
know it's something that's appearing a

2615
01:51:27,929 --> 01:51:24,849
bit like an aircraft but it's something

2616
01:51:32,279 --> 01:51:27,939
to worry about now if this unknown track

2617
01:51:34,770 --> 01:51:32,289
if it doesn't land or turn around or ask

2618
01:51:37,619 --> 01:51:34,780
for help or produce a mayday signal or

2619
01:51:39,540 --> 01:51:37,629
whatever after a few minutes NORAD's say

2620
01:51:41,879 --> 01:51:39,550
okay this thing is getting faster or

2621
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:41,889
whatever it's it's not going away will

2622
01:51:46,949 --> 01:51:44,050
or will launch fighter jets at it so

2623
01:51:49,139 --> 01:51:46,959
f-22 Raptors or f15 Eagles out of

2624
01:51:52,020 --> 01:51:49,149
Elmendorf or Tyndall or McCord or

2625
01:51:53,310 --> 01:51:52,030
whatever so that mean this takes time it

2626
01:51:55,709 --> 01:51:53,320
takes five minutes to get them off the

2627
01:51:59,310 --> 01:51:55,719
ground whatever now how it works is this

2628
01:52:01,109 --> 01:51:59,320
if if NORAD has this unknown track on

2629
01:52:02,939 --> 01:52:01,119
their screens and that there's even got

2630
01:52:04,830 --> 01:52:02,949
a quality rating how good the unknown

2631
01:52:06,989 --> 01:52:04,840
track is like how solid it is is it is

2632
01:52:09,029 --> 01:52:06,999
it sort of really weak and barely there

2633
01:52:09,699 --> 01:52:09,039
or is it a really solid big blip on the

2634
01:52:12,580 --> 01:52:09,709
screen

2635
01:52:15,100 --> 01:52:12,590
now if the object is solid for a while

2636
01:52:16,779 --> 01:52:15,110
if it's if it's solid for five minutes

2637
01:52:18,969 --> 01:52:16,789
and that is that the actual rules five

2638
01:52:22,569 --> 01:52:18,979
minutes they give it in seconds I think

2639
01:52:23,919 --> 01:52:22,579
that's 300 seconds if NORAD if NORAD

2640
01:52:26,169 --> 01:52:23,929
screens are picking up this this

2641
01:52:28,270 --> 01:52:26,179
aircraft or object for four five minutes

2642
01:52:30,250 --> 01:52:28,280
and they still have no resolution they

2643
01:52:32,679 --> 01:52:30,260
don't know what it is it's called an NR

2644
01:52:34,359 --> 01:52:32,689
u NORAD remaining unknown now we've got

2645
01:52:36,100 --> 01:52:34,369
these documents they just they just

2646
01:52:38,589 --> 01:52:36,110
briefs and they're just what we call

2647
01:52:41,020 --> 01:52:38,599
instructions or guidelines for NORAD

2648
01:52:43,449 --> 01:52:41,030
staff we've got copies of them they it's

2649
01:52:45,879 --> 01:52:43,459
been the same word that the word unknown

2650
01:52:48,910 --> 01:52:45,889
track and then NORAD remaining unknown

2651
01:52:51,279 --> 01:52:48,920
has been around for decades and so what

2652
01:52:53,979 --> 01:52:51,289
happens is is sometimes the NORAD

2653
01:52:55,989 --> 01:52:53,989
remaining unknown that's that's in the

2654
01:52:57,459 --> 01:52:55,999
airspace for more than five minutes

2655
01:52:59,080 --> 01:52:57,469
sometimes it never gets solved the

2656
01:53:01,359 --> 01:52:59,090
fighter jets get out there it disappears

2657
01:53:03,549 --> 01:53:01,369
or what I'm interested in is when the

2658
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:03,559
fighter jets get out there they do see

2659
01:53:06,939 --> 01:53:04,610
what it is and they're not allowed to

2660
01:53:09,729 --> 01:53:06,949
talk about it that's apparently there is

2661
01:53:11,290 --> 01:53:09,739
cases where the we're in already is

2662
01:53:13,330 --> 01:53:11,300
tracking something they don't know what

2663
01:53:16,779 --> 01:53:13,340
it is for ten twenty minutes it's solid

2664
01:53:19,660 --> 01:53:16,789
it's fast and fighter jets say say say

2665
01:53:21,129 --> 01:53:19,670
the two fighter jets coming out of

2666
01:53:23,259 --> 01:53:21,139
Ohlendorf or Ellison Air Force Base

2667
01:53:26,979 --> 01:53:23,269
Alaska we'll get out to the object and

2668
01:53:28,929 --> 01:53:26,989
they will come back and they'll say we

2669
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:28,939
saw it but we don't know what that was

2670
01:53:33,429 --> 01:53:30,800
we don't know wasn't a Russian bomber

2671
01:53:33,969 --> 01:53:33,439
and it wasn't a cruise missile it was

2672
01:53:35,799 --> 01:53:33,979
shiny

2673
01:53:38,199 --> 01:53:35,809
apparently this still is happening now

2674
01:53:40,750 --> 01:53:38,209
these are your classic I suppose early

2675
01:53:42,250 --> 01:53:40,760
blue book UFOs like the problem is is

2676
01:53:45,129 --> 01:53:42,260
getting documents we know some

2677
01:53:46,810 --> 01:53:45,139
statistics NORAD actually publish they

2678
01:53:48,699 --> 01:53:46,820
have published in the past in these

2679
01:53:49,959 --> 01:53:48,709
things called our tactical history

2680
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:49,969
documents they've published statistics

2681
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:52,729
on NORAD remaining unknowns and what

2682
01:53:56,979 --> 01:53:55,130
cases were never solved so they'll say

2683
01:53:59,739 --> 01:53:56,989
like for instance the 11th tactical

2684
01:54:03,669 --> 01:53:59,749
could control group in Alaska has got a

2685
01:54:06,219 --> 01:54:03,679
50 page document from 1988 and on one of

2686
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:06,229
the pages it's got a list of all the

2687
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:08,570
unknown tracks and NORAD remaining

2688
01:54:12,969 --> 01:54:11,090
unknowns and scrambles likes where where

2689
01:54:14,890 --> 01:54:12,979
aircraft been scrambled unknown objects

2690
01:54:16,509 --> 01:54:14,900
it's got a list of them and they can you

2691
01:54:19,719 --> 01:54:16,519
could actually see for say the month of

2692
01:54:22,149 --> 01:54:19,729
January there were two unsolved unknown

2693
01:54:22,850 --> 01:54:22,159
aircraft cases and you think you know

2694
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:22,860
the best

2695
01:54:29,149 --> 01:54:27,330
in the world they are not able to I

2696
01:54:30,620 --> 01:54:29,159
don't identify things sometimes

2697
01:54:32,359 --> 01:54:30,630
happening right over the middle of the

2698
01:54:35,090 --> 01:54:32,369
United States or Canada this doesn't

2699
01:54:36,830 --> 01:54:35,100
have to be out near Cuba or Alaska or

2700
01:54:38,419 --> 01:54:36,840
something these events have happened you

2701
01:54:41,060 --> 01:54:38,429
know right over the middle of Kansas and

2702
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:41,070
they're not able to identify the objects

2703
01:54:44,750 --> 01:54:42,480
or if they are they're not telling us

2704
01:54:48,229 --> 01:54:44,760
right and that's the difference between

2705
01:54:50,060 --> 01:54:48,239
in the definition for a UFO that's the

2706
01:54:50,959 --> 01:54:50,070
difference between an unidentified

2707
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:50,969
flying object

2708
01:54:58,010 --> 01:54:56,130
and an unknown aircraft because flying

2709
01:55:00,410 --> 01:54:58,020
object is simply simply something that's

2710
01:55:02,629 --> 01:55:00,420
just not readily explainable I think you

2711
01:55:05,810 --> 01:55:02,639
know that hang on that's a myth what

2712
01:55:08,810 --> 01:55:05,820
we've got here for the actual official

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01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:08,820
definitions is something completely

2714
01:55:11,930 --> 01:55:10,170
different from that sort of common

2715
01:55:14,359 --> 01:55:11,940
misperception and that's why I'm trying

2716
01:55:16,729 --> 01:55:14,369
to get the two things sorted out here

2717
01:55:19,220 --> 01:55:16,739
because we've got unknown aircraft as

2718
01:55:21,580 --> 01:55:19,230
being flying objects determined to be

2719
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:21,590
aircraft generally appear as a result of

2720
01:55:26,810 --> 01:55:24,719
ADIZ violations and often prompt UFO

2721
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:26,820
reports and that's one of the things

2722
01:55:33,470 --> 01:55:28,770
that they specifically say you don't

2723
01:55:36,020 --> 01:55:33,480
report as a UFO okay so an unidentified

2724
01:55:38,270 --> 01:55:36,030
flying object is any Air Bob so

2725
01:55:40,370 --> 01:55:38,280
unidentified flying objects or any

2726
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:40,380
airborne object which by performance

2727
01:55:45,709 --> 01:55:43,170
aerodynamic characteristics or unusual

2728
01:55:49,220 --> 01:55:45,719
features does not conform to known

2729
01:55:50,930 --> 01:55:49,230
aircraft missiles or missiles or which

2730
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does not correspond to the definitions

2731
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in a or B which includes familiar known

2732
01:55:58,970 --> 01:55:56,070
objects planets meteors stars aircraft

2733
01:56:01,760 --> 01:55:58,980
flares and on and on and on basically an

2734
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:01,770
unidentified flying object boils down to

2735
01:56:06,379 --> 01:56:04,320
something alien some sort of an alien

2736
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:06,389
craft that's all that's left after you

2737
01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:08,850
rule everything out where as unknown

2738
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:11,730
aircraft kids could conceivably be these

2739
01:56:15,500 --> 01:56:13,650
unknown tracks so I'm trying to

2740
01:56:18,140 --> 01:56:15,510
differentiate well how many of the

2741
01:56:21,290 --> 01:56:18,150
reports are simply unknown tracks and

2742
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:21,300
how many are UFOs we don't know I mean

2743
01:56:26,030 --> 01:56:23,850
that we know at least we'll like I was

2744
01:56:27,229 --> 01:56:26,040
saying we know at least that that when

2745
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:27,239
there's an unknown track and it could

2746
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:28,530
just be an aircraft that hasn't turned

2747
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:31,290
its transponder on or or a helicopter

2748
01:56:34,310 --> 01:56:33,119
that's refusing to cooperate with radio

2749
01:56:36,500 --> 01:56:34,320
or whatever

2750
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:36,510
they would know that when it's a 2,000

2751
01:56:39,050 --> 01:56:37,679
feet and it looks like it's going

2752
01:56:40,399 --> 01:56:39,060
between a pair of airport

2753
01:56:42,649 --> 01:56:40,409
you know Oklahoma of course it's gonna

2754
01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:42,659
be a plane but that the point is you ask

2755
01:56:47,419 --> 01:56:44,639
a good question in that in that how many

2756
01:56:49,459 --> 01:56:47,429
of these unknown tracks are just quite

2757
01:56:52,819 --> 01:56:49,469
clearly planes and how many of them are

2758
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:52,829
what we would traditionally and call

2759
01:56:58,520 --> 01:56:56,730
UFOs that behave beyond the way beyond

2760
01:57:00,410 --> 01:56:58,530
the norm the thing is we just don't know

2761
01:57:02,810 --> 01:57:00,420
like I'll say no we do have statistics

2762
01:57:06,830 --> 01:57:02,820
that do show that sometimes NORAD on the

2763
01:57:08,959 --> 01:57:06,840
US Air Force do have long-running over

2764
01:57:11,810 --> 01:57:08,969
five minute events that they scramble

2765
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:11,820
for that they simply cannot solve let's

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solve this problem ladies and gentlemen

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it's called a commercial announcement

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Paul you'll do it again when I call

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unusual we've got Paul Dean we've got

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Jay Randall Murphy I'm gene Steinberg

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you'll never forget a former US military

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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pleading for his help after a terrible

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battle in outer space but the dreams

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turn out to be true and thrust him into

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it's always the same thing it's we have

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sighting after sighting and different

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levels of government attention documents

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they collect but we never seem to get

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past that yeah where do we go from here

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what do we do all we can do the thing is

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fun oh and part of me it sounds really

2902
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odd people look at me well people in the

2903
02:02:44,870 --> 02:02:43,409
UFO field find this a bit odd but part

2904
02:02:48,830 --> 02:02:44,880
of me now after so long I don't care

2905
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:48,840
like like I I I know that the the topics

2906
02:02:52,700 --> 02:02:50,610
gonna is gonna twist and turn and change

2907
02:02:54,950 --> 02:02:52,710
forever we know that it just grinds on

2908
02:02:57,589 --> 02:02:54,960
and on every year so I I'm more of an

2909
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:57,599
archivist in that I'm trying to save it

2910
02:03:02,660 --> 02:03:00,480
we'll both analyze material old material

2911
02:03:05,569 --> 02:03:02,670
new material old records new records and

2912
02:03:07,850 --> 02:03:05,579
I'm trying to archive them and and and

2913
02:03:10,729 --> 02:03:07,860
so maybe one day we will be able to

2914
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:10,739
further solve it you like we it's very

2915
02:03:15,859 --> 02:03:13,770
very complex because so many people have

2916
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different opinions on it and so many

2917
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people see the UFO topic in such

2918
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completely different ways and like I was

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saying you I think it's really important

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02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:23,940
to read skeptical literature I mean some

2921
02:03:27,770 --> 02:03:25,530
of its terrible some skeptical

2922
02:03:29,629 --> 02:03:27,780
literature is nearly as bad as the worst

2923
02:03:32,270 --> 02:03:29,639
of the worst UFO literature but some

2924
02:03:34,459 --> 02:03:32,280
skeptical literature is absolutely

2925
02:03:35,870 --> 02:03:34,469
essential reading I don't know where we

2926
02:03:38,180 --> 02:03:35,880
go to from here I don't know where we're

2927
02:03:40,250 --> 02:03:38,190
gonna be there's this the other problem

2928
02:03:44,470 --> 02:03:40,260
with of course the UFO field is that it

2929
02:03:47,180 --> 02:03:44,480
lacks a lot of a lot of sort of PhD

2930
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scientists you know in the 60s we had we

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had really good scientists like James

2932
02:03:55,850 --> 02:03:51,570
McDonald and Heineken and various others

2933
02:03:58,419 --> 02:03:55,860
even Menzel and we now have social media

2934
02:04:02,050 --> 02:03:58,429
and Facebook and arguments and

2935
02:04:04,479 --> 02:04:02,060
and and yeah and now we have social lady

2936
02:04:09,130 --> 02:04:04,489
here and arguments on forums and we have

2937
02:04:11,100 --> 02:04:09,140
a we have a debates that just don't go

2938
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anywhere in needless conferences and

2939
02:04:16,270 --> 02:04:15,260
overpriced books and so yeah I don't

2940
02:04:18,939 --> 02:04:16,280
know where we go so sure

2941
02:04:21,700 --> 02:04:18,949
well I I've gotten a suggestion speaking

2942
02:04:24,340 --> 02:04:21,710
of forums we've got a question here from

2943
02:04:27,250 --> 02:04:24,350
one of our forum members for you from

2944
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:27,260
existential he asks can you briefly

2945
02:04:33,810 --> 02:04:29,330
discuss and share your thoughts on the

2946
02:04:37,540 --> 02:04:33,820
Westall UFO incident of 1966 sure

2947
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:37,550
well it actually happened that actually

2948
02:04:44,260 --> 02:04:41,210
occurred only about in your language ten

2949
02:04:47,620 --> 02:04:44,270
miles from my house the back thing was

2950
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:47,630
Melbourne speak City area and there was

2951
02:04:51,189 --> 02:04:49,850
a suburb it's now changed names to

2952
02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:51,199
Clayton but there was a suburb called

2953
02:04:58,300 --> 02:04:56,330
Westall and though in in 1966 it was a

2954
02:05:00,490 --> 02:04:58,310
new suburb young families that was on

2955
02:05:02,380 --> 02:05:00,500
the outskirts of Melbourne and and one

2956
02:05:04,180 --> 02:05:02,390
morning there was there was a pair of

2957
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:04,190
schools a primary school I think you

2958
02:05:08,500 --> 02:05:06,050
call it like the younger kids and a high

2959
02:05:11,939 --> 02:05:08,510
school play older kids those two schools

2960
02:05:15,669 --> 02:05:11,949
logo located quite near each other and

2961
02:05:17,770 --> 02:05:15,679
at the end of recess at the end of first

2962
02:05:23,050 --> 02:05:17,780
recess around about 10 past 10:00 in the

2963
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:23,060
morning numerous children started

2964
02:05:29,919 --> 02:05:26,719
started gathering to watch what appeared

2965
02:05:31,390 --> 02:05:29,929
to be a number and and this is one of

2966
02:05:33,939 --> 02:05:31,400
the problems with this case we don't

2967
02:05:37,899 --> 02:05:33,949
know how many but a number one two or

2968
02:05:41,709 --> 02:05:37,909
more UFOs or at least unknown bodies or

2969
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:41,719
certainly unfamiliar bodies fly past the

2970
02:05:46,840 --> 02:05:44,090
school do some maneuvers or move around

2971
02:05:49,419 --> 02:05:46,850
a bit in the sky land or come very very

2972
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:49,429
close to landing on the ground and this

2973
02:05:56,770 --> 02:05:51,050
happened over an extended period of time

2974
02:05:59,080 --> 02:05:56,780
it happened over time but for some

2975
02:06:02,169 --> 02:05:59,090
students to run in Saab had actually get

2976
02:06:03,850 --> 02:06:02,179
science teacher Andrew Greenwood and so

2977
02:06:08,169 --> 02:06:03,860
the science teacher Andrew Greenwood

2978
02:06:10,209 --> 02:06:08,179
came out and he he actually saw these

2979
02:06:11,770 --> 02:06:10,219
objects they were very far away and he

2980
02:06:12,239 --> 02:06:11,780
had trouble making them out but he did

2981
02:06:15,709 --> 02:06:12,249
see

2982
02:06:17,850 --> 02:06:15,719
and so we've got one we've got one

2983
02:06:22,609 --> 02:06:17,860
science they should have saw them and

2984
02:06:24,479 --> 02:06:22,619
with a humorous children now the

2985
02:06:25,319 --> 02:06:24,489
something definitely happened it's no

2986
02:06:30,299 --> 02:06:25,329
question about that

2987
02:06:31,859 --> 02:06:30,309
but the the the the story only really

2988
02:06:33,870 --> 02:06:31,869
gathered steam well the other thing is

2989
02:06:36,180 --> 02:06:33,880
that we do we are pretty sure that

2990
02:06:38,009 --> 02:06:36,190
government respondents like the fire

2991
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:38,019
brigade police maybe the department of

2992
02:06:42,060 --> 02:06:39,610
supply order or someone in the military

2993
02:06:45,120 --> 02:06:42,070
maybe the army did it come on the scene

2994
02:06:47,669 --> 02:06:45,130
like some time after that now what we

2995
02:06:50,430 --> 02:06:47,679
know is this we know that the government

2996
02:06:51,810 --> 02:06:50,440
were concerned about it and they were on

2997
02:06:52,979 --> 02:06:51,820
the scene we know something definitely

2998
02:06:54,540 --> 02:06:52,989
was flying around it was certainly

2999
02:06:58,169 --> 02:06:54,550
unfamiliar to the students the problem

3000
02:07:00,270 --> 02:06:58,179
with this cop system is that the event

3001
02:07:02,609 --> 02:07:00,280
only the event only really gathered

3002
02:07:05,759 --> 02:07:02,619
steam in the last sort of 15 years in

3003
02:07:09,989 --> 02:07:05,769
that people witnesses at the the schools

3004
02:07:12,509 --> 02:07:09,999
only came out on mass like 15 years ago

3005
02:07:15,479 --> 02:07:12,519
and the problem with that is is that is

3006
02:07:17,549 --> 02:07:15,489
that memories change one one big problem

3007
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:17,559
with this case is we we don't even know

3008
02:07:22,109 --> 02:07:19,599
how many objects are out of the out of

3009
02:07:23,580 --> 02:07:22,119
the dozens or sort of a hundred 150

3010
02:07:25,169 --> 02:07:23,590
people that have come forward claiming

3011
02:07:27,989 --> 02:07:25,179
that they were part of the event that

3012
02:07:30,419 --> 02:07:27,999
morning some people insist there was one

3013
02:07:33,500 --> 02:07:30,429
object or remember the being one object

3014
02:07:35,969 --> 02:07:33,510
many people insist there were two UFOs

3015
02:07:38,189 --> 02:07:35,979
some people say they're definitely three

3016
02:07:40,439 --> 02:07:38,199
some people even say four and there's a

3017
02:07:43,169 --> 02:07:40,449
few people that say there were five UFOs

3018
02:07:44,459 --> 02:07:43,179
in the morning now the other thing is

3019
02:07:48,359 --> 02:07:44,469
from a scientific or technical

3020
02:07:51,419 --> 02:07:48,369
perspective we don't know the the stuff

3021
02:07:53,250 --> 02:07:51,429
we need to analyze this case like what

3022
02:07:56,330 --> 02:07:53,260
direction the object came from what

3023
02:07:59,160 --> 02:07:56,340
direction it left azimuth and bearing

3024
02:08:01,410 --> 02:07:59,170
altitude we we we have a rough idea of

3025
02:08:05,370 --> 02:08:01,420
color and shape of the object or objects

3026
02:08:07,020 --> 02:08:05,380
but we don't have those essential you

3027
02:08:09,330 --> 02:08:07,030
know there's even disagreement on the

3028
02:08:10,950 --> 02:08:09,340
color the of the objects there's I mean

3029
02:08:14,850 --> 02:08:10,960
for instance Andrew green with the

3030
02:08:16,469 --> 02:08:14,860
science teacher he he fell he recounted

3031
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:16,479
that both objects were quite different

3032
02:08:20,939 --> 02:08:18,639
in appearance and also they were so far

3033
02:08:22,319 --> 02:08:20,949
away and so small that students were

3034
02:08:23,740 --> 02:08:22,329
actually having to point them out to

3035
02:08:26,680 --> 02:08:23,750
them he had to virtually

3036
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:26,690
kind of squint to see them and you know

3037
02:08:30,160 --> 02:08:28,880
this it's a great case as far as culture

3038
02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:30,170
and history goes there's no doubt

3039
02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:31,490
something really strange happened and

3040
02:08:35,260 --> 02:08:32,810
there's no doubt that the government

3041
02:08:36,340 --> 02:08:35,270
were not happy about it but we just

3042
02:08:38,920 --> 02:08:36,350
don't know what it was

3043
02:08:40,450 --> 02:08:38,930
have you got any actual documents out of

3044
02:08:42,700 --> 02:08:40,460
you know that's the other problem with

3045
02:08:44,260 --> 02:08:42,710
this case is Australia's been pretty

3046
02:08:46,390 --> 02:08:44,270
good Australia's government like our

3047
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:46,400
Department of Civil Aviation are now our

3048
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,930
Royal Australian Air Force now Air

3049
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:49,520
ministries and so on they've released a

3050
02:08:54,520 --> 02:08:51,920
very very large number of documents on

3051
02:08:57,730 --> 02:08:54,530
UFOs particularly from the 60s yet this

3052
02:09:00,160 --> 02:08:57,740
particular case there is not a single

3053
02:09:03,370 --> 02:09:00,170
there is not in government archives in

3054
02:09:05,620 --> 02:09:03,380
war archives in state archives in in

3055
02:09:08,410 --> 02:09:05,630
military doctrine military history there

3056
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:08,420
is not a single page not a single

3057
02:09:13,390 --> 02:09:11,210
sentence in a single page that mentions

3058
02:09:18,700 --> 02:09:13,400
the Westfall case and it's troubling the

3059
02:09:20,140 --> 02:09:18,710
the the other thing is that that the

3060
02:09:21,430 --> 02:09:20,150
fact that the government were on the

3061
02:09:24,940 --> 02:09:21,440
scene so quickly.i

3062
02:09:26,770 --> 02:09:24,950
leads me I personally think that it was

3063
02:09:28,720 --> 02:09:26,780
a government program or a government

3064
02:09:29,890 --> 02:09:28,730
project as something that was flying

3065
02:09:32,380 --> 02:09:29,900
that went horribly wrong

3066
02:09:35,290 --> 02:09:32,390
personally I I think oh I don't know

3067
02:09:37,300 --> 02:09:35,300
though I mean it could be a true flying

3068
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:37,310
saucer case of the highest order and I

3069
02:09:41,200 --> 02:09:38,810
wouldn't be surprised if it was but I

3070
02:09:43,240 --> 02:09:41,210
very much would not be surprised if it

3071
02:09:46,180 --> 02:09:43,250
was a government program like a very

3072
02:09:49,570 --> 02:09:46,190
early pair of drones that escaped some

3073
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:49,580
sort of some sort of a mini balloon

3074
02:09:53,710 --> 02:09:51,530
program a horrible effort whatever

3075
02:09:54,910 --> 02:09:53,720
because there's some odd things about

3076
02:09:56,590 --> 02:09:54,920
this case and I'll tell you what they

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are I tell you what we're going to have

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to do a break and if we come back from

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the break Paul then usual tell us more

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about that and let's look at the

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suspicious aspects and I want to ask you

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more about the possibility of different

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cases being government experiments as

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supposed to you know like Paulding and

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that I can do all that stuff but that's

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3202
02:15:43,799 --> 02:15:41,919
with the West Hall incident area okay so

3203
02:15:45,659 --> 02:15:43,809
what's interesting about the West old

3204
02:15:47,609 --> 02:15:45,669
cases well is they look there's a lot of

3205
02:15:49,619 --> 02:15:47,619
things that tell me you could say that

3206
02:15:51,449 --> 02:15:49,629
the fact that there isn't so scary you

3207
02:15:54,209 --> 02:15:51,459
could also say that because it was not

3208
02:15:56,609 --> 02:15:54,219
even for a case that that there's no UFO

3209
02:15:58,799 --> 02:15:56,619
paperwork um one thing that is troubling

3210
02:16:00,659 --> 02:15:58,809
is the great the great science the great

3211
02:16:03,599 --> 02:16:00,669
atmospheric physicists at James Lee

3212
02:16:05,009 --> 02:16:03,609
MacDonald who was who was probably the

3213
02:16:07,829 --> 02:16:05,019
best scientists to ever study the UFO

3214
02:16:09,569 --> 02:16:07,839
topic he actually had the chance he

3215
02:16:11,879 --> 02:16:09,579
actually came to Melbourne and he'd had

3216
02:16:13,109 --> 02:16:11,889
the chance to interview this so like I

3217
02:16:14,579 --> 02:16:13,119
said there was a lot of students that

3218
02:16:16,919 --> 02:16:14,589
saw it and a science teacher Andrew

3219
02:16:20,579 --> 02:16:16,929
Greenwood James McDonald interviewed

3220
02:16:22,799 --> 02:16:20,589
Andrew Greenwood and anyway James

3221
02:16:24,449 --> 02:16:22,809
McDonald about 18 months later did a

3222
02:16:27,299 --> 02:16:24,459
very very famous speech in Washington

3223
02:16:29,219 --> 02:16:27,309
and it was with the house symposium on

3224
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:29,229
unidentified flying object to government

3225
02:16:33,269 --> 02:16:31,050
the government talk government symposium

3226
02:16:35,339 --> 02:16:33,279
MacDonald had all the chance in the

3227
02:16:38,099 --> 02:16:35,349
world he had a whole segment on Matt's

3228
02:16:40,410 --> 02:16:38,109
mass UFO sightings like mass population

3229
02:16:42,059 --> 02:16:40,420
UFO sightings where dozens or hundreds

3230
02:16:43,319 --> 02:16:42,069
of people have all seen the same thing

3231
02:16:44,250 --> 02:16:43,329
at the same time on a clear day

3232
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:44,260
basically

3233
02:16:48,179 --> 02:16:46,479
so James McDonald's up there doing this

3234
02:16:50,219 --> 02:16:48,189
speech and we've got transcripts for it

3235
02:16:51,809 --> 02:16:50,229
we've got the exact wording he did I

3236
02:16:53,330 --> 02:16:51,819
mean he'd just come back from Australia

3237
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:53,340
where he had interviewed

3238
02:16:57,740 --> 02:16:55,290
the science teacher who was at West all

3239
02:17:00,440 --> 02:16:57,750
he had this opportunity to discuss an

3240
02:17:02,120 --> 02:17:00,450
international Ozzy case where but

3241
02:17:05,480 --> 02:17:02,130
potentially hundreds of students had

3242
02:17:07,700 --> 02:17:05,490
seen two or three UFOs in the sky yet a

3243
02:17:09,350 --> 02:17:07,710
Donnell gets up there at the house

3244
02:17:11,629 --> 02:17:09,360
impose iam and he does a whole section

3245
02:17:13,250 --> 02:17:11,639
on mass UFO sightings mass witness UFO

3246
02:17:16,100 --> 02:17:13,260
sightings he doesn't mention Westall

3247
02:17:18,049 --> 02:17:16,110
once he either well we can only assume

3248
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:18,059
that he just wasn't impressed by it

3249
02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:20,010
III don't know and maybe he felt from

3250
02:17:22,280 --> 02:17:21,090
the very beginning that was the

3251
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:22,290
government program like a pair of

3252
02:17:25,490 --> 02:17:24,240
balloons or something I don't know the

3253
02:17:28,640 --> 02:17:25,500
other thing that's a bit troubling about

3254
02:17:31,100 --> 02:17:28,650
it is this when when researchers in

3255
02:17:34,459 --> 02:17:31,110
Melbourne my city tried to investigate

3256
02:17:36,169 --> 02:17:34,469
the Westall case I do know that one of

3257
02:17:38,330 --> 02:17:36,179
them one particular researcher I think

3258
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:38,340
her name was Judith Nagar she came away

3259
02:17:41,930 --> 02:17:40,290
actually not that impressed like where

3260
02:17:43,940 --> 02:17:41,940
there was the supposed landing site

3261
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:43,950
where the UFO were UFOs had supposedly

3262
02:17:49,759 --> 02:17:46,559
landed there was apparently trace cases

3263
02:17:51,890 --> 02:17:49,769
big big big flattened areas of grass and

3264
02:17:54,890 --> 02:17:51,900
some people even claimed burnt grass or

3265
02:17:57,440 --> 02:17:54,900
damaged heavily damaged grass but we we

3266
02:17:59,660 --> 02:17:57,450
see in the history books we see that

3267
02:18:01,820 --> 02:17:59,670
that some researchers were not that

3268
02:18:03,169 --> 02:18:01,830
impressed by it and and they thought

3269
02:18:06,980 --> 02:18:03,179
that it was there was nothing much to it

3270
02:18:09,080 --> 02:18:06,990
now some early UFO newsletters in my

3271
02:18:11,240 --> 02:18:09,090
state they barely mentioned Westar all

3272
02:18:13,520 --> 02:18:11,250
at all and it's like if this was such a

3273
02:18:15,740 --> 02:18:13,530
sensational event and kids do talk and

3274
02:18:19,250 --> 02:18:15,750
parents talk and that the school was

3275
02:18:21,890 --> 02:18:19,260
completely that it was completely awash

3276
02:18:25,400 --> 02:18:21,900
with UFO tales and investigators were on

3277
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:25,410
the scene and and apparently no one can

3278
02:18:29,959 --> 02:18:27,090
a lot of people just didn't consider it

3279
02:18:32,780 --> 02:18:29,969
that good having said that we do have a

3280
02:18:35,660 --> 02:18:32,790
situation where a it's never been solved

3281
02:18:37,549 --> 02:18:35,670
oh I will absolutely admit that and it

3282
02:18:39,410 --> 02:18:37,559
could easily be it could easily be

3283
02:18:41,440 --> 02:18:39,420
Australia's best UFO case the problem is

3284
02:18:44,360 --> 02:18:41,450
it's fifty years ago we just do not know

3285
02:18:46,610 --> 02:18:44,370
we just don't buy that takes us all the

3286
02:18:49,129 --> 02:18:46,620
way back around to when you first

3287
02:18:52,250 --> 02:18:49,139
started the show you talked a bit about

3288
02:18:54,620 --> 02:18:52,260
the Valentich case and the some of the

3289
02:18:58,310 --> 02:18:54,630
skeptics say that he maybe got into

3290
02:18:59,900 --> 02:18:58,320
doing some drug running and have you

3291
02:19:02,669 --> 02:18:59,910
been able to follow up on any of that

3292
02:19:06,870 --> 02:19:02,679
where he's actually living in India and

3293
02:19:08,729 --> 02:19:06,880
and so owning no I know a lot about I

3294
02:19:10,409 --> 02:19:08,739
know heck a lot about the case and we've

3295
02:19:14,699 --> 02:19:10,419
got over the years researchers have her

3296
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:14,709
very close contact with his family we we

3297
02:19:20,459 --> 02:19:18,399
we don't believe we the drug-running

3298
02:19:23,549 --> 02:19:20,469
thing was a disgrace that was literally

3299
02:19:27,689 --> 02:19:23,559
started as a disgraceful rumor and the

3300
02:19:29,399 --> 02:19:27,699
the that's I mean to peak of all things

3301
02:19:31,229 --> 02:19:29,409
to pick that and then he disappeared you

3302
02:19:32,819 --> 02:19:31,239
know landed the plane somewhere god

3303
02:19:35,099 --> 02:19:32,829
knows where he would land an entire

3304
02:19:38,309 --> 02:19:35,109
plane and not ever be discussed and go

3305
02:19:45,089 --> 02:19:38,319
to India is ridiculous there's there's a

3306
02:19:47,429 --> 02:19:45,099
few possibilities that that he either he

3307
02:19:48,719 --> 02:19:47,439
other did see a really unusual UFO now

3308
02:19:51,090 --> 02:19:48,729
we what we know it wasn't a Royal

3309
02:19:53,460 --> 02:19:51,100
Australian Air Force jet because we know

3310
02:19:55,469 --> 02:19:53,470
that we know that Jets at that time the

3311
02:19:58,500 --> 02:19:55,479
closest jets were about 400 or in your

3312
02:20:00,750 --> 02:19:58,510
language 280 miles away and nothing was

3313
02:20:02,460 --> 02:20:00,760
airborne that week night we do know that

3314
02:20:04,290 --> 02:20:02,470
it wasn't a civilian airliner that was

3315
02:20:06,059 --> 02:20:04,300
chasing him around we do know that it

3316
02:20:10,679 --> 02:20:06,069
was very unusual we do know that he

3317
02:20:13,080 --> 02:20:10,689
completely vanished now either he saw a

3318
02:20:14,909 --> 02:20:13,090
genuine UFO or he thought he was being

3319
02:20:16,620 --> 02:20:14,919
harassed by genuine UFO of in and

3320
02:20:21,439 --> 02:20:16,630
crashed and just simply disappeared or

3321
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:21,449
was snatched I don't know or he

3322
02:20:25,529 --> 02:20:24,010
misinterpreted a whole range of events

3323
02:20:27,389 --> 02:20:25,539
that could have been arranged of meteor

3324
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:27,399
shower events and a couple of planets

3325
02:20:31,170 --> 02:20:29,680
and stars maybe the Sun set has thrown

3326
02:20:33,689 --> 02:20:31,180
him maybe his instruments weren't

3327
02:20:35,880 --> 02:20:33,699
working maybe it was you know I don't

3328
02:20:37,260 --> 02:20:35,890
know people have thrown around the ideas

3329
02:20:39,659 --> 02:20:37,270
that he was drug-running and he crashed

3330
02:20:41,219 --> 02:20:39,669
because he was so nervous maybe people

3331
02:20:42,179 --> 02:20:41,229
are thrown around the idea that he

3332
02:20:43,979 --> 02:20:42,189
committed suicide

3333
02:20:46,409 --> 02:20:43,989
we're pretty sure that's not the case he

3334
02:20:48,779 --> 02:20:46,419
just gotten engaged he was a Catholic I

3335
02:20:51,059 --> 02:20:48,789
believe he was certainly his family were

3336
02:20:52,889 --> 02:20:51,069
very religious and I don't know if it's

3337
02:20:55,260 --> 02:20:52,899
I'm in your country but suicide is

3338
02:20:57,630 --> 02:20:55,270
considered like it's not exactly the

3339
02:20:59,939 --> 02:20:57,640
dumb thing it doesn't seem like the

3340
02:21:02,939 --> 02:20:59,949
thing to do either you just got engaged

3341
02:21:04,979 --> 02:21:02,949
yeah people have said to me before that

3342
02:21:06,359 --> 02:21:04,989
pay a couple of researchers have told me

3343
02:21:08,429 --> 02:21:06,369
that they know the family really well

3344
02:21:09,899 --> 02:21:08,439
and they've said everyone unequivocally

3345
02:21:11,939 --> 02:21:09,909
states he would not do it to his mother

3346
02:21:14,670 --> 02:21:11,949
he would not kill himself the age of 21

3347
02:21:15,590 --> 02:21:14,680
yeah I don't like the other possibility

3348
02:21:18,710 --> 02:21:15,600
is that the

3349
02:21:22,040 --> 02:21:18,720
he that he he was trying to pull a hoax

3350
02:21:25,490 --> 02:21:22,050
like that he was trying to that he was

3351
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:25,500
trying to you know set up a UFO event

3352
02:21:30,380 --> 02:21:27,840
and come back some sort of hero and look

3353
02:21:32,929 --> 02:21:30,390
at it's possible was he Joker who knows

3354
02:21:35,389 --> 02:21:32,939
I you know he would be over 50 now and

3355
02:21:37,189 --> 02:21:35,399
no one know yeah people have said he was

3356
02:21:40,429 --> 02:21:37,199
just a normal kid he was a fun-loving

3357
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:40,439
kid but he wouldn't have paid people of

3358
02:21:43,370 --> 02:21:41,850
specifically said he probably wasn't the

3359
02:21:44,780 --> 02:21:43,380
type to try and pull a huge hoax and he

3360
02:21:47,149 --> 02:21:44,790
certainly wasn't the type to suicide

3361
02:21:49,460 --> 02:21:47,159
personally I think it's a 50/50 he

3362
02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:49,470
either saw a genuine UFO event or

3363
02:21:53,149 --> 02:21:51,449
certainly something like at a stretch

3364
02:21:55,670 --> 02:21:53,159
something like a missile it was chasing

3365
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:55,680
him around it whatever all that there

3366
02:22:00,349 --> 02:21:57,359
was some incredible

3367
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:00,359
a coincidence of natural events like he

3368
02:22:04,700 --> 02:22:02,880
was flying he was he was flying with bad

3369
02:22:06,320 --> 02:22:04,710
instruments and at the same time he had

3370
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:06,330
a few meteorites coming towards him and

3371
02:22:11,599 --> 02:22:09,359
then he got nervous or he he maybe had a

3372
02:22:15,050 --> 02:22:11,609
blackout an epileptic fit I don't know

3373
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:15,060
it's the thing is I remember once one of

3374
02:22:19,519 --> 02:22:17,850
Australia's most sensible researchers

3375
02:22:19,969 --> 02:22:19,529
certainly a guy that has helped me no

3376
02:22:22,130 --> 02:22:19,979
end

3377
02:22:23,389 --> 02:22:22,140
his name's Keith Buster field I said to

3378
02:22:25,160 --> 02:22:23,399
him when I first met him about five

3379
02:22:27,260 --> 02:22:25,170
years ago I said to him point-blank I

3380
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:27,270
said I said with the Valenti case what

3381
02:22:31,219 --> 02:22:29,040
do you actually think happened was it a

3382
02:22:33,620 --> 02:22:31,229
UFO he said I'll never forget he said

3383
02:22:37,099 --> 02:22:33,630
this to me he said the bottom line is I

3384
02:22:41,780 --> 02:22:37,109
just do not know that's the random line

3385
02:22:44,210 --> 02:22:41,790
there's never been two years you you you

3386
02:22:47,559 --> 02:22:44,220
would hope that that there would be

3387
02:22:50,420 --> 02:22:47,569
something more concrete and ya-da-da-da

3388
02:22:52,969 --> 02:22:50,430
now this is really really a compelling

3389
02:22:57,469 --> 02:22:52,979
case but in the scheme of things it's

3390
02:23:01,010 --> 02:22:57,479
really difficult to deal with older

3391
02:23:04,280 --> 02:23:01,020
cases obviously memories shift over the

3392
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:04,290
years some people inflated stories some

3393
02:23:09,500 --> 02:23:06,290
people don't some people forget

3394
02:23:11,030 --> 02:23:09,510
conflated with pop culture things like

3395
02:23:13,939 --> 02:23:11,040
that's the problem of course that we

3396
02:23:15,530 --> 02:23:13,949
have with Roswell where I just hardly

3397
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:15,540
think it's worth doing anything about

3398
02:23:21,340 --> 02:23:19,290
Roswell anymore except for as Kevin

3399
02:23:23,780 --> 02:23:21,350
Randle is done chase the footnotes and

3400
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:23,790
labels stuff that's questionable is

3401
02:23:29,420 --> 02:23:26,880
questionable and let's try to go on not

3402
02:23:32,300 --> 02:23:29,430
shag harbour is another pretty old case

3403
02:23:34,760 --> 02:23:32,310
we got Paul Dehn fascinated guests I

3404
02:23:37,189 --> 02:23:34,770
wonder why we haven't had him on before

3405
02:23:39,469 --> 02:23:37,199
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3406
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3407
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3410
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3415
02:24:05,780 --> 02:24:01,470
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02:29:08,530 --> 02:29:03,980
paul-dean J Randall Murphy gene

3534
02:29:10,631 --> 02:29:08,540
Steinberg so as I said in chasing the

3535
02:29:12,310 --> 02:29:10,641
footnotes looking at older cases and

3536
02:29:13,890 --> 02:29:12,320
certainly you told us of one there

3537
02:29:17,711 --> 02:29:13,900
that's just really really fascinating

3538
02:29:20,591 --> 02:29:17,721
what about the newest cases of all it

3539
02:29:23,470 --> 02:29:20,601
almost looks like the best cases in the

3540
02:29:26,381 --> 02:29:23,480
history of the UFO field are older and

3541
02:29:28,150 --> 02:29:26,391
older getting older every year what's

3542
02:29:30,791 --> 02:29:28,160
happened in the last five years or ten

3543
02:29:34,060 --> 02:29:30,801
years other stuff that we can look to to

3544
02:29:36,850 --> 02:29:34,070
maybe get off that kick and get to

3545
02:29:38,950 --> 02:29:36,860
something modern yeah look there are

3546
02:29:41,740 --> 02:29:38,960
some I know that if you look at a survey

3547
02:29:43,780 --> 02:29:41,750
of researchers or scientists and ask

3548
02:29:46,360 --> 02:29:43,790
them what the best UFO cases or what

3549
02:29:49,570 --> 02:29:46,370
their their personal top 20 UFO cases

3550
02:29:52,331 --> 02:29:49,580
are most of them occurred in the 50s and

3551
02:29:54,551 --> 02:29:52,341
60s and some in the 70s a couple in the

3552
02:29:58,360 --> 02:29:54,561
40s and then there's just this drop-off

3553
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:58,370
in the 80s and 90s and look there are

3554
02:30:04,030 --> 02:30:01,280
some very very very good cases in the

3555
02:30:06,581 --> 02:30:04,040
last 20 years but they're few and far

3556
02:30:07,720 --> 02:30:06,591
between a lot of the time of course we

3557
02:30:09,190 --> 02:30:07,730
just don't know because they just

3558
02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:09,200
haven't come out you know people haven't

3559
02:30:13,690 --> 02:30:11,210
talked pilots still want to hold their

3560
02:30:15,430 --> 02:30:13,700
jobs or the records can't yet be

3561
02:30:17,411 --> 02:30:15,440
declassified or all the case happen in

3562
02:30:19,180 --> 02:30:17,421
the country where you can barely get

3563
02:30:22,360 --> 02:30:19,190
information it might be a bit I mean if

3564
02:30:24,820 --> 02:30:22,370
we had an extraordinary case say in say

3565
02:30:27,490 --> 02:30:24,830
Uganda you know it might be really great

3566
02:30:28,930 --> 02:30:27,500
to read in Swahili but you're not gonna

3567
02:30:31,600 --> 02:30:28,940
be able to assess very easily when

3568
02:30:33,161 --> 02:30:31,610
you're speaking English we haven't asked

3569
02:30:36,100 --> 02:30:33,171
you yet have you ever seen one yourself

3570
02:30:38,921 --> 02:30:36,110
no no no I've never seen anything at all

3571
02:30:40,690 --> 02:30:38,931
do you go out and look match Australia's

3572
02:30:43,450 --> 02:30:40,700
got an incredible sky very clear skies

3573
02:30:45,070 --> 02:30:43,460
we've got the Milky Way with I'd go out

3574
02:30:46,871 --> 02:30:45,080
looking for UFOs I sometimes watch

3575
02:30:49,060 --> 02:30:46,881
aircraft pulling into airports and and

3576
02:30:50,501 --> 02:30:49,070
look at the Stars but no I've the very

3577
02:30:53,650 --> 02:30:50,511
whole point of unidentified flying

3578
02:30:56,020 --> 02:30:53,660
object is it's such a scant like a

3579
02:30:59,020 --> 02:30:56,030
fleeting event I mean most UFO cases

3580
02:31:01,541 --> 02:30:59,030
actually really only happen for five 10

3581
02:31:03,551 --> 02:31:01,551
15 20 30 seconds so you've got to be out

3582
02:31:05,140 --> 02:31:03,561
the timing we just have to be impeccable

3583
02:31:07,320 --> 02:31:05,150
and you have to have perfect eye so it

3584
02:31:09,820 --> 02:31:07,330
has to be good weather whatever and so

3585
02:31:11,081 --> 02:31:09,830
no I've never seen anything I dunno

3586
02:31:13,091 --> 02:31:11,091
people obviously who have I mean I

3587
02:31:14,550 --> 02:31:13,101
formerly interviewed people the you can

3588
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:14,560
see a question before I

3589
02:31:19,080 --> 02:31:17,050
that in recent times the Nimitz case

3590
02:31:22,469 --> 02:31:19,090
that the case off the coast of Florida

3591
02:31:25,349 --> 02:31:22,479
in 2004 where you've got four aircraft

3592
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:25,359
into lots with eight people on board so

3593
02:31:29,820 --> 02:31:27,520
yeah you have full loft for pilots for

3594
02:31:33,090 --> 02:31:29,830
weapons systems officers over two

3595
02:31:35,490 --> 02:31:33,100
sorties in the tic-tac I think that

3596
02:31:37,530 --> 02:31:35,500
that's proving to be an excellent case

3597
02:31:40,620 --> 02:31:37,540
and we're finding out more all the time

3598
02:31:42,269 --> 02:31:40,630
more first-hand interviews more we've

3599
02:31:43,830 --> 02:31:42,279
got a great knowledge now of what the

3600
02:31:45,479 --> 02:31:43,840
weather was like on the day what the sea

3601
02:31:47,910 --> 02:31:45,489
conditions were like on the day what the

3602
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:47,920
support ships were what the submarine

3603
02:31:51,210 --> 02:31:49,210
didn't say anything that was underneath

3604
02:31:53,160 --> 02:31:51,220
the ships yet the Princeton was picking

3605
02:31:54,599 --> 02:31:53,170
picking up the objects for days with

3606
02:31:56,670 --> 02:31:54,609
we're just getting a huge amount of

3607
02:31:58,590 --> 02:31:56,680
information edits and I mean it started

3608
02:32:00,630 --> 02:31:58,600
off as an avalanche I mean this needs

3609
02:32:02,700 --> 02:32:00,640
very very very significant looking into

3610
02:32:06,090 --> 02:32:02,710
and I can almost assure you that someone

3611
02:32:08,460 --> 02:32:06,100
within the Navy's inspector general or

3612
02:32:10,290 --> 02:32:08,470
Judge Advocate or someone within the

3613
02:32:11,820 --> 02:32:10,300
Office of Naval Intelligence has

3614
02:32:14,460 --> 02:32:11,830
definitely definitely taken a keen

3615
02:32:17,910 --> 02:32:14,470
interest in this event and certainly ia

3616
02:32:20,070 --> 02:32:17,920
to the IP and the DIA and the UFO

3617
02:32:21,870 --> 02:32:20,080
contractors like Bigelow we're working

3618
02:32:23,160 --> 02:32:21,880
on this case and have for a long time a

3619
02:32:25,290 --> 02:32:23,170
lot of people have been interviewed

3620
02:32:27,420 --> 02:32:25,300
there is there is good data we know

3621
02:32:29,639 --> 02:32:27,430
exactly what the radar systems were at

3622
02:32:32,910 --> 02:32:29,649
the time we know that the footage is

3623
02:32:35,939 --> 02:32:32,920
genuine we know that for instance the

3624
02:32:37,769 --> 02:32:35,949
location has been absolutely pinpointed

3625
02:32:39,030 --> 02:32:37,779
so that's proving to be an excellent

3626
02:32:42,059 --> 02:32:39,040
case how many more are there

3627
02:32:44,700 --> 02:32:42,069
I don't know that case of course the DIA

3628
02:32:46,349 --> 02:32:44,710
itself has never made any comment on it

3629
02:32:48,840 --> 02:32:46,359
other than to say that they had thought

3630
02:32:51,229 --> 02:32:48,850
they were releasing and declassifying

3631
02:32:53,429 --> 02:32:51,239
that video for training purposes and

3632
02:32:56,219 --> 02:32:53,439
pretty much felt sandbagged when

3633
02:32:58,979 --> 02:32:56,229
Elizondo went you know off the edge with

3634
02:33:00,780 --> 02:32:58,989
the UFO claim and now they're just

3635
02:33:04,139 --> 02:33:00,790
saying you're not getting anything else

3636
02:33:06,809 --> 02:33:04,149
out of us they know the this they they

3637
02:33:09,750 --> 02:33:06,819
sir they slow all of the public defense

3638
02:33:12,330 --> 02:33:09,760
did was make a comment was that yes the

3639
02:33:15,479 --> 02:33:12,340
ia to the IP program did exist and it

3640
02:33:17,550 --> 02:33:15,489
has been since closed down now I've

3641
02:33:21,599 --> 02:33:17,560
heard I've heard of someone who's really

3642
02:33:23,609 --> 02:33:21,609
in the know that that the program

3643
02:33:26,309 --> 02:33:23,619
actually never closed it was moved on it

3644
02:33:27,779 --> 02:33:26,319
was I've heard for someone from someone

3645
02:33:30,569 --> 02:33:27,789
who should know what what's

3646
02:33:32,849 --> 02:33:30,579
going on that the program was focused a

3647
02:33:35,189 --> 02:33:32,859
bit more like a little bit smaller and

3648
02:33:40,859 --> 02:33:35,199
more focus more mission orientated and

3649
02:33:44,369 --> 02:33:40,869
it moved to it was it moved in 2012 2013

3650
02:33:48,029 --> 02:33:44,379
it moved to a very very small joint desk

3651
02:33:50,519 --> 02:33:48,039
between two agencies now they could be

3652
02:33:54,199 --> 02:33:50,529
two CIA and Navy they could be the army

3653
02:33:57,269 --> 02:33:54,209
and you know whatever but the the a8 CIP

3654
02:33:59,969 --> 02:33:57,279
UFO effort move now it's not surprising

3655
02:34:02,039 --> 02:33:59,979
I mean your your military is enormous

3656
02:34:03,569 --> 02:34:02,049
as he's England as is Canada's and

3657
02:34:04,829 --> 02:34:03,579
Striders is quite bigger if the

3658
02:34:07,260 --> 02:34:04,839
government said to me know we closed

3659
02:34:08,699 --> 02:34:07,270
down the program in 2012 and that's it

3660
02:34:11,069 --> 02:34:08,709
I don't believe a word of it because

3661
02:34:13,559 --> 02:34:11,079
there's no way there is no way when

3662
02:34:15,659 --> 02:34:13,569
you've got a situation where UFOs are

3663
02:34:17,609 --> 02:34:15,669
being reported by qualified or certainly

3664
02:34:18,929 --> 02:34:17,619
credible people there is no way even

3665
02:34:20,839 --> 02:34:18,939
just for the points of national security

3666
02:34:22,829 --> 02:34:20,849
and even just for the points of

3667
02:34:24,419 --> 02:34:22,839
psychology of pilots and whatever

3668
02:34:25,889 --> 02:34:24,429
they're not going to completely brush

3669
02:34:27,869 --> 02:34:25,899
the topic of a side just because

3670
02:34:31,169 --> 02:34:27,879
Bluebook caused 50 years ago and just

3671
02:34:32,849 --> 02:34:31,179
hand you were saying that there's these

3672
02:34:34,859 --> 02:34:32,859
various desks in the different

3673
02:34:36,869 --> 02:34:34,869
departments that are tasked with dealing

3674
02:34:40,589 --> 02:34:36,879
with these specific types of reports

3675
02:34:42,559 --> 02:34:40,599
well where did they send them after they

3676
02:34:45,269 --> 02:34:42,569
decide well look this one is

3677
02:34:48,959 --> 02:34:45,279
unidentified it's unknown we can't

3678
02:34:50,039 --> 02:34:48,969
explain it as a unknown aircraft I mean

3679
02:34:52,649 --> 02:34:50,049
what do they do just stick it in a

3680
02:34:54,449 --> 02:34:52,659
filing cabinet and that's believe I'm

3681
02:34:56,699 --> 02:34:54,459
level 8 situations different for example

3682
02:34:59,639 --> 02:34:56,709
like oh I think I was saying before that

3683
02:35:01,979 --> 02:34:59,649
the 7602 field activities group in the

3684
02:35:04,829 --> 02:35:01,989
80s and the 70s and 80s one of their

3685
02:35:07,260 --> 02:35:04,839
jobs was to look into incoming space

3686
02:35:09,419 --> 02:35:07,270
debris and that included studying UFO

3687
02:35:11,519 --> 02:35:09,429
reports from from all around the world

3688
02:35:13,260 --> 02:35:11,529
it's a pinpoint the location of incoming

3689
02:35:14,760 --> 02:35:13,270
supposed to bring now what was done with

3690
02:35:16,799 --> 02:35:14,770
those files Leanne if they found out

3691
02:35:19,289 --> 02:35:16,809
that it was in fact not supposed to Bri

3692
02:35:20,849 --> 02:35:19,299
that they had all these UFO reports in

3693
02:35:22,379 --> 02:35:20,859
somewhere like Algeria or something what

3694
02:35:23,909 --> 02:35:22,389
did they do with those assessments and

3695
02:35:26,099 --> 02:35:23,919
files they probably stuck them in a

3696
02:35:28,169 --> 02:35:26,109
filing cabinet when you get to someone

3697
02:35:30,899 --> 02:35:28,179
like NORAD though who are in a situation

3698
02:35:34,859 --> 02:35:30,909
where they're where US Air Force pilots

3699
02:35:36,839 --> 02:35:34,869
are being possibly buzzed by unknowns

3700
02:35:38,579 --> 02:35:36,849
NORAD remaining unknowns in airspace I

3701
02:35:40,400 --> 02:35:38,589
mean where do the files go where do the

3702
02:35:42,410 --> 02:35:40,410
position statements and where does

3703
02:35:44,301 --> 02:35:42,420
the original radar track data goes I

3704
02:35:45,650 --> 02:35:44,311
would think that it would goes to anyone

3705
02:35:47,890 --> 02:35:45,660
who's interested if someone from the

3706
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:47,900
office of the secretary of defense or j2

3707
02:35:52,370 --> 02:35:50,250
operations or j2 intelligence at the

3708
02:35:53,210 --> 02:35:52,380
Pentagon or someone from a ballistic

3709
02:35:54,920 --> 02:35:53,220
missiles desk

3710
02:35:56,841 --> 02:35:54,930
if they show an interest if they come to

3711
02:35:58,940 --> 02:35:56,851
NORAD as an officer with a security

3712
02:36:00,980 --> 02:35:58,950
clearance and say look we suspect that

3713
02:36:02,570 --> 02:36:00,990
you've got so-called UFO FILES would you

3714
02:36:05,450 --> 02:36:02,580
share them with us because we're doing

3715
02:36:07,131 --> 02:36:05,460
our own assessments I suspect that NORAD

3716
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:07,141
then pull them out of the the filing

3717
02:36:11,720 --> 02:36:08,880
cabinets and hand them on though people

3718
02:36:13,400 --> 02:36:11,730
say is there a huge suppositories or a

3719
02:36:16,310 --> 02:36:13,410
particular vault is through a particular

3720
02:36:18,830 --> 02:36:16,320
centralized place where UFO sightings

3721
02:36:21,620 --> 02:36:18,840
radar tracks evidence old newspaper

3722
02:36:23,631 --> 02:36:21,630
articles lists of UFO researchers

3723
02:36:26,270 --> 02:36:23,641
whatever whereas it all kept is kept in

3724
02:36:27,950 --> 02:36:26,280
one spot in Colorado at at Peterson Air

3725
02:36:29,900 --> 02:36:27,960
Force Base or is kept in the bowels

3726
02:36:32,060 --> 02:36:29,910
Pentagon Orissa kept at Lackland Air

3727
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Force Base Texas people don't realize

3728
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how incredibly fragmented the US

3729
02:36:38,091 --> 02:36:36,120
military is that they just can't callate

3730
02:36:40,100 --> 02:36:38,101
that that much stuff I'd find it hard to

3731
02:36:42,591 --> 02:36:40,110
believe that they would go to all that

3732
02:36:44,360 --> 02:36:42,601
work to actually collect all of this

3733
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:44,370
information and then simply stick it in

3734
02:36:49,460 --> 02:36:46,650
a filing cabinet nothing any analysis

3735
02:36:52,131 --> 02:36:49,470
that reminds me folks of Indiana Jones

3736
02:36:53,810 --> 02:36:52,141
the original movie where they stuck it

3737
02:36:55,820 --> 02:36:53,820
in some kind of basement and then of

3738
02:36:59,030 --> 02:36:55,830
course from that came the TV show

3739
02:37:01,580 --> 02:36:59,040
warehouse 13 so I will always say here

3740
02:37:03,470 --> 02:37:01,590
that all the really good UFO information

3741
02:37:07,400 --> 02:37:03,480
the stuff that proofs what they are is

3742
02:37:08,750 --> 02:37:07,410
being held in warehouse 13 paul-dean can

3743
02:37:10,370 --> 02:37:08,760
you tell our listeners if they want to

3744
02:37:13,520 --> 02:37:10,380
know more about the things you do where

3745
02:37:17,780 --> 02:37:13,530
do they go okay so if you go to Google

3746
02:37:18,850 --> 02:37:17,790
or whatever and type in UFOs documenting

3747
02:37:21,890 --> 02:37:18,860
evidence

3748
02:37:24,470 --> 02:37:21,900
paul-dean if you type that in you will

3749
02:37:27,110 --> 02:37:24,480
get my blog I've written maybe 150 blog

3750
02:37:28,761 --> 02:37:27,120
posts in the last say three or four

3751
02:37:30,110 --> 02:37:28,771
years and if you go to the right-hand

3752
02:37:31,250 --> 02:37:30,120
side of the screen this little arrow is

3753
02:37:33,290 --> 02:37:31,260
where you can look down month by month

3754
02:37:34,730 --> 02:37:33,300
by month like most blogs and there's

3755
02:37:37,220 --> 02:37:34,740
something in there for everyone this

3756
02:37:40,011 --> 02:37:37,230
stuff about UFO sightings stuff about

3757
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:40,021
government policy the stuff about files

3758
02:37:43,700 --> 02:37:41,280
and how they're kept and how they

3759
02:37:45,170 --> 02:37:43,710
release this things about how

3760
02:37:48,381 --> 02:37:45,180
government's handle media inquiries

3761
02:37:50,180 --> 02:37:48,391
about UFOs this things about even stuff

3762
02:37:51,980 --> 02:37:50,190
about what a UFO scientists job

3763
02:37:53,780 --> 02:37:51,990
description should look like Rand or

3764
02:37:58,130 --> 02:37:53,790
where can we find your stuff I'm

3765
02:37:59,840 --> 02:37:58,140
UFO pages , as always at our site the

3766
02:38:02,090 --> 02:37:59,850
para cast off calm is undergoing

3767
02:38:04,700 --> 02:38:02,100
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3768
02:38:07,130 --> 02:38:04,710
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3781
02:38:40,790 --> 02:38:39,029
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3782
02:38:42,740 --> 02:38:40,800
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3783
02:38:52,760 --> 02:38:42,750
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3784
02:38:58,699 --> 02:38:55,789
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3785
02:39:01,719 --> 02:38:58,709
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3786
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